Compression in Accelerating Springs.

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The discussion focuses on the dynamics of two masses connected by a spring under the influence of an external force. When a force F is applied to one end, the compression of the spring is calculated using Hooke's Law, resulting in x = F/(2k) for the left mass. This compression is half of what it would be if the force were applied symmetrically to both ends. The confusion arises regarding the acceleration of the left mass, which does not match the system's acceleration until the spring is fully compressed, contradicting the assertion that the compression remains the same in both scenarios.

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Suppose I have two masses with mass [tex]M[/tex] each connected together by a spring with spring constant [tex]k[/tex] like this:
[PLAIN]http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4896/springs1.png

Then I apply a force of [tex]F[/tex] at both ends:
[PLAIN]http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2562/spring2.png

Then using Hooke's law [tex]F=kx[/tex], the compression of the spring [tex]x[/tex] would be given by:
[tex]x=F/k[/tex]

So now if I apply the same force [tex]F[/tex] just to the right end like this:
[PLAIN]http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/4236/spring3.png

The acceleration of the system is given by Newton's 2nd Law [tex]F=ma[/tex]
[tex]F=2Ma[/tex]
[tex]a=\frac{F}{2M}[/tex]

And the acceleration of the mass on the left is the same as the entire system so the force is:
[tex]F_{left mass}=Ma[/tex]
[tex]F_{left mass}=M\frac{F}{2M}[/tex]
[tex]F_{left mass}=\frac{F}{2}[/tex]

This force must be supplied by the spring so using hookes law:
[tex]\frac{F}{2}=kx[/tex]
[tex]x=\frac{F}{2k}[/tex]

This value is half as much as before.

Here is where I'm confused can anyone explain the difference between this and the situation described in this post http://scienceblogs.com/dotphysics/2008/10/fake-vs-real-forces/" where it is said the compression is "the compression is EXACTLY the same before"

What mistakes have I made?
 
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jimmyw;2902875 And the acceleration of the mass on the left is the same as the entire system so the force is: [/QUOTE said:
I am not sure ... but its wrong i believe because when you push the mass on right .. the mass on left doesn't have same acceleration until the string can't compress anymore.

Still i would prefer someone more of an expert to justify this.
 
I'm not worried about that statement.

After the spring has compressed, the acceleration of the mass on the left is the same as the entire system
 

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