Computing the Minimal polynomial - Ring Theory

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the minimal polynomial in the context of ring theory, specifically addressing a potential mistake in a mathematical text regarding the expression for ##\alpha^2##. Participants also explore proofs related to the irrationality of ##\sqrt{2}##, referencing Eisenstein's theorem and alternative approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies a potential mistake in a mathematical text regarding the expression for ##\alpha^2##, suggesting it should be ##\alpha^2=5+2\sqrt{6}##.
  • Another participant agrees with the correction, stating that the highlighted part is indeed a mistake and confirms the value is correct in another part of the text.
  • A participant mentions a proof of the irrationality of ##\sqrt{2}## using Eisenstein's theorem, noting that the polynomial ##x^2 - 2## has no rational solutions.
  • Another participant challenges the reliance on Eisenstein's theorem, arguing that the proof can be established without it by demonstrating a contradiction based on the properties of integers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is agreement on the correction of the expression for ##\alpha^2##, but there is disagreement regarding the necessity of Eisenstein's theorem in proving the irrationality of ##\sqrt{2}##, with differing opinions on the sufficiency of alternative methods.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes varying interpretations of mathematical proofs and theorems, with some participants relying on specific properties of integers and others on established theorems, indicating a nuanced understanding of the topic.

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Am going through this notes...kindly let me know if there is a mistake on highlighted part. I think it ought to be;

##α^2=5+2\sqrt{6}##

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chwala said:
Summary: See attached

Am going through this notes...kindly let me know if there is a mistake on highlighted part. I think it ought to be;

##α^2=5+2\sqrt{6}##

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You are right. It is a mistake in the book and should be ##\alpha^2=5+2\sqrt{6}.## It is the correct value on the list at the end again. The procedure itself is correct.
 
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fresh_42 said:
You are right. It is a mistake in the book and should be ##\alpha^2=5+2\sqrt{6}.## It is the correct value on the list at the end again. The procedure it self is correct.
Thanks...let me peruse through...
 
The text from Chwala provides a nice, clean proof of the Irrationality of ##\sqrt 2##, though Eisenstein theorem. Per that theorem, ## x^2 -2## has no Rational solution. A nice, handwavy proof.
 
WWGD said:
The text from Chwala provides a nice, clean proof of the Irrationality of ##\sqrt 2##, though Eisenstein theorem. Per that theorem, ## x^2 -2## has no Rational solution. A nice, handwavy proof.
Yes, but Eisenstein uses the fact that ##\mathbb{Z}## is a UFD and ##2## is prime. With that, you don't need Eisenstein anymore:
\begin{align*}
\sqrt{2}=\dfrac{m}{n} \Longrightarrow 2n^2=m^2 \Longrightarrow 2\,|\,m \Longrightarrow 4\,|\,m^2\Longrightarrow 2\,|\,n^2
\end{align*}
contradicting the assumption that ##\dfrac{m}{n}## was cancelled.

Hence, you do not use Eisenstein, you use its conditions.
 

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