Concave mirror - finding object and image distance

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a concave mirror with a focal length of 27.2 cm and a specified distance of 50.2 cm between an object and its image. Participants are tasked with finding the object and image distances, given that the object is located beyond the center of curvature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationships between object distance, image distance, and focal length using the mirror equation. There are attempts to set up equations based on the distance between the object and image, but confusion arises regarding the correct substitutions and signs in the equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about their approaches and whether they are on the right track. There is a recognition that certain calculations do not satisfy the mirror equation, prompting further questioning of assumptions and setups.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the object lies beyond the center of curvature, and there is a noted discrepancy in the signs of the distances calculated, which raises questions about the validity of their results.

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Homework Statement


A concave mirror has a focal length of 27.2 cm. The distance between an object and its image is 50.2 cm. Find (a) the object and (b) the image distance assuming that the object lies beyond the center of curvature.


Homework Equations


f=1/2 R
1/object distance + 1/image distance = 1/f


The Attempt at a Solution


image distance - object distance = 50.2 cm
(image distance + object distance)/(image distance*object distance) = 1/f
50.2/(image distance*object distance)=1/27.2
image distance*object distance=1365.44

image distance=50.2 + object distance

substitute in and get: (50.2 + object distance)object distance = 1365.44
quadratic equation solves for object distance = 69.77 or 19.57 cm


Am I even doing this right?? If so, I'm stuck from here.. Thanks for any help you can give!
 
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phys62 said:

Homework Statement


A concave mirror has a focal length of 27.2 cm. The distance between an object and its image is 50.2 cm. Find (a) the object and (b) the image distance assuming that the object lies beyond the center of curvature.


Homework Equations


f=1/2 R
1/object distance + 1/image distance = 1/f


The Attempt at a Solution


image distance - object distance = 50.2 cm
(image distance + object distance)/(image distance*object distance) = 1/f
Whoops.
image distance - object distance = 50.2 cm
But you substituted 50.2 cm for image distance + object distance

Try substituting for "image distance" in
1/object distance + 1/image distance = 1/f​
 
Can anyone help me figure out if I'm even on the right track?
 
so I tried saying image distance = 50.2 + object distance

substituting that into 1/object distance + 1/image distance = 1/f

I got object distance = -620.65 cm
then image distance would = -620.65 + 50.2 = -570.45 cm

This is incorrect... Have I done this right, and the 620.65 simply needs to be positive? Or am I completely off track?
 
Something is wrong there. Those numbers definitely don't satisfy the equation,

1/object distance + 1/image distance = 1/f

1/(-620.65) + 1/(-570.45) = -0.00336
While 1/f = 1/27.2 = +0.0367

Since f (and also 1/f) is positive, the object and image distances cannot both be negative.
 

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