Concentration of paint in each bowl after certain time

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The discussion revolves around the concentration of paint in three identical bowls over time, starting with one bowl filled with a paint-water mixture and the others empty. A constant flow of clear water is introduced into the first bowl, causing the mixture to overflow into the subsequent bowls. Participants are exploring the calculations needed to determine the concentration of paint in each bowl when the third bowl is full.

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  • Participants discuss the rates of change of paint concentration in each bowl, with some focusing on the flow dynamics and time factors. There are attempts to derive equations for the concentration in each bowl based on the flow rate and volume.

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Some participants have provided alternative interpretations of the calculations, particularly regarding the second bowl's concentration over time. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in initial calculations, and a participant has confirmed a revised understanding of the concentration dynamics.

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There are discussions about the assumptions made regarding the flow of paint and water, particularly in the early stages of filling the second bowl. Participants are considering the implications of these assumptions on their calculations.

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We are taking a closer look at three identical bowls with volume ##10l##. At the beginning only the first bowl is full with water mixed with ##0.5kg## of paint. The other two bowls are empty. Than we provide a constant flow of ##0.05 l/s## of clear water straight into the first bowl. Because the first bowl is already full, the mixture of paint and water starts flowing into the second bowl and when the second bowl is full, the mixture continues into the third bowl.

Calculate the concentration of paint in each bowl when the bowl no. 3 is full. Water and paint are always very well mixed.

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The first one should be simple. I will use notation ##V## for volume, ##c## for concentration of paint and ##\phi _v## for that constant flow.

First bowl:

##Vdc=-c\phi _vdt##

##c(t)=c_0e^{-\beta t}## where ##\beta = \frac{\phi _v}{V}## and ##c_0=\frac{m_p}{m_w}## where ##m_p## is mass of paint and ##m_w## mass of water.

If I am not mistaken ##t=\frac{2V}{\phi _v}=400s## so finally

##c(t=400s)=0,00676##

Second bowl:

##Vdc_2=(c_1(t)\phi _v-c_2\phi _v)dt##

##dc_2=(c_0e^{-\beta t}-c_2)\beta dt##

##c_2(t)=(\beta c_0t+D)e^{-\beta t}## , we know that ##c_2(t=0)=0## therefore:

##c_2(t)=\beta c_0te^{-\beta t}##

and

##c_2(t=400)=0,0135## (Greater than ##c_1## ??)

Third bowl:

##c_3(t)=c_0(\beta t)^2e^{-\beta t}##

##c_3(t=200s)=0,00184 ##
 
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For me the only important details here are amount of paint and time. You want to think in terms of paint flow and time, ignore any other distracting details.

So for example, the amount of paint in A is changing, let A'(t) be that rate of change at time t. Similarly, the amount of paint in B is changing, let B'(t) be that rate of change. Find A(t) and B(t).

PS. You want to keep things simple whenever possible.
 
The second bowl is done incorrectly. During the first 200 sec, V is a function of time for bowl 2: V=øvt, and the amount of paint in bowl 2 is øvtc2. This needs to be taken into account. During the first 200 sec, I get:
c_2=c_0\frac{(1-e^{-βt})}{βt}

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
The second bowl is done incorrectly. During the first 200 sec, V is a function of time for bowl 2: V=øvt, and the amount of paint in bowl 2 is øvtc2. This needs to be taken into account. During the first 200 sec, I get:
c_2=c_0\frac{(1-e^{-βt})}{βt}

Chet

Uhh, you are right. During the first 200 seconds the amount of paint in the second bowl is only increasing, nothing is going out of it.

I agree, I did the calculation again and I got the same result.

Thanks Chet!
 

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