Concept for Black Hole explaination

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conceptual frameworks used to explain black holes, particularly the limitations of existing theories like Newtonian physics, General Relativity (GR), and Quantum Mechanics (QM). Participants explore whether new mathematical constructs or theories are necessary to fully understand black holes, especially in light of the challenges posed by singularities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that different theories apply to different scales of measurement, indicating a potential need for new constructs to explain black holes beyond GR and QM.
  • Another participant notes that while GR provides significant insights into black holes, the singularity remains poorly understood, implying that new theories and mathematics may be necessary.
  • A reference to a paper on black holes as effective geometries is provided, suggesting ongoing research in this area.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the reading material, indicating engagement with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the notion that existing theories have limitations when it comes to fully explaining black holes, particularly regarding singularities. However, there is no consensus on whether new theories are required or what those might entail.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on existing theoretical frameworks and the unresolved nature of singularities in black hole physics. There are indications of ongoing research and exploration of alternative theories, but specifics remain unclear.

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Me and my brother - the armchair physicist that we are came up with this! We are interested if the professional community has any concepts of this nature. Here we go...

Newtonian physics provides a framework of concepts to explain reality at what you could call our 'normal' level of measured reality. Another way to loosely say it - what we experience with our own senses without technological assistance.

Then comes GR and QM. Both explain observed reality on a larger/smaller scale. These scales of measurement - especially with QM - is not normally observed from the Newtonian set of laws. We do not notice all the quantum interactions as we watch t.v. When astronauts orbit the Earth they do not notice the time-dilation difference. But these things are measurable.

I think of it as different theories having different applications depending on the scale involved.

Now with all the different approaches that have been taken to explain a black hole nothing has yet given us a full explanation. Would you need a new set of mathematical constructs to explain a black holes' true behavior? Like the Newtonian Laws that have no compensation for the effects of gravity and motion with regard to GR. Would a new tier of concepts need to be introduced? GR breaks down when you examine black hole so...does this warrant an idea like this? Are their any fringe theories with this sort of concept in mind?
 
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GR tells us most things about black-holes. The singularity in the center, however, remains elusive. For this, entirely new theories and mathematics seem to be required. This is a very active area of research, things like 'string theory,' 'quantum gravity' etc etc.
 
Thanks for the reading material atyy. Checking it out now.
 

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