Concept question on External force

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The discussion centers on the concept of external forces and their relationship to speed and velocity, specifically in the context of Newton's 1st Law of Motion. It is established that an object can maintain constant speed while experiencing a net external force, as demonstrated by a car traveling in a circular path. The key distinction between speed and velocity is emphasized, with velocity incorporating both magnitude and direction. The centripetal force acting on the car is identified as the net external force required to maintain this motion.

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Describe a situation in which the net external force is not zero, but its speed remains constant.

I don't know if this situation is possible to explain.
 
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What does Newton's 1st law say?
 
An object stays at rest, or if in motion, stays in motion at a constant velocity unless acted on by a net external force.
 
crysland said:
An object stays at rest, or if in motion, stays in motion at a constant velocity unless acted on by a net external force.
Good. Note the key word velocity. How does that differ from speed?
 
Velocity has both magnitude and direction but speed doesn't have direction
 
crysland said:
Velocity has both magnitude and direction but speed doesn't have direction
Exactly! So see if you can try to answer the question now.

Give an example of something with constant speed but not constant velocity.
 
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A car going in a circle.
 
crysland said:
A car going in a circle.
How about a car following any curved path while moving at constant speed? A section of road could be similar to a sine wave, ellipse, spiral, parabola, ..., and a car would be able to follow that path while moving at constant speed.
 
crysland said:
A car going in a circle.
Your answer is definitely correct! :smile:
But, as the next post shows, other similar situations also exist.
 
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Ok so what is the net external force acting on the car?
 
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crysland said:
Ok so what is the net external force acting on the car?
Do you remember the expression for centripetal acceleration?
 
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Yes. So centripetal force that pulls it toward the center is external?
 
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Certainly.
 
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arildno said:
Do you remember the expression for centripetal acceleration?
That would be speed^2 / (radius of curvature), which gets complicated for paths other than a circle.

crysland said:
Yes. So centripetal force that pulls it toward the center is external?
The simple answer is that centripetal force = centripetal acceleration x mass of the car.
 

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