Concrete Engine Block with Liners

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and practicality of constructing an engine block from concrete with metal liners. Participants explore the material properties, potential advantages, and challenges associated with using concrete in this application.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mustafa Umut Sarac suggests that concrete is inexpensive, resistant to pressure and high heat, making it a potential candidate for engine blocks.
  • Another participant counters that concrete's high porosity and low tensile strength would limit its effectiveness, suggesting it might only function for a short time.
  • One participant acknowledges concrete's cost-effectiveness and insulating properties but raises concerns about its tensile strength and the potential for thermal fatigue.
  • Another participant argues that while concrete is cheap for construction, the manufacturing and machining processes required for precision engine parts would negate any cost benefits.
  • Mustafa Umut Sarac shares insights from his research on concrete technologies, noting its fireproof qualities and the use of steel fibers to enhance strength, while also mentioning challenges related to curing time and modularity of metal parts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of using concrete for engine blocks, with no consensus reached on its viability. Some highlight potential benefits, while others emphasize significant drawbacks.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to concrete's material properties, manufacturing challenges, and the need for additional components like metal liners. There are unresolved questions regarding the long-term performance and feasibility of such a design.

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Is it useful to build my own engine block from concrete , liners inside.
Concrete is cheap , high resistant to pressure and high heat .

Best regards ,

Mustafa Umut Sarac

Istanbul
 
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Mustafa Umut said:
Is it useful to build my own engine block from concrete , liners inside.
No.
High porosity, very low tensile strength, etc.
You might be able to fashion one that functions for a (very) short time, but I can't imagine any serious reason to try.
 
Well, concrete is relatively inexpensive compared to metal alloys and engineering ceramics, and it would be a relatively good insulator compared to metal.

But concrete doesn't handle tension too well, and I image thermal fatigue would be a problem.

A metal liner would be necessary to maintain a smooth (minimal friction) bore in the piston chamber.
 
Sure concrete is cheap when you're making a sidewalk, but I seriously doubt it would be cheaper when you tried to manufacture an engine block out of it. As with most precision parts, the expensive part of making an engine block is not the material, its all of the manufacturing and machining processes that go into making it.
 
I researched concrete technologies little bit to make my boat.
First thing , I learned that concrete is fire proof.
At a fire , heat is enough to melt a aluminium block but no wear to concrete.
Second thing is to make it strong. At nato bases or us embassies they use bomb proof or missile proof walls. They make it with adding high concentration of steel fibers.
Even there is ultra high flexible concrete at the market also.
Problem is to keep metal parts modular , i mean installed on to the concrete mass by epoxy adhesive.
I think factories don't use concrete because it is slow to cure but you can save from time with less paying to shaping machines.

Best ,

Mustafa Umut Sarac

Istanbul
 

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