Condition of simple harmonic motion

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The discussion centers on the conditions necessary for an object to execute Simple Harmonic Motion (SHM) in relation to spring displacement. The variable 'e' represents the extension of the spring at equilibrium, and the displacement 'x' must not exceed 'e + c', where 'c' is the compression limit of the spring. If 'x' exceeds 'e', the spring may cease to function properly, particularly if it is a tension-only spring. The analysis clarifies that SHM can occur as long as the total extension remains within the operational limits of the spring.

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I was told that for an object to execute SHM, the x (distance displaced from the spring) can't be greater than e . Why is this so? i can't understand. can someone explain please?

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kelvin macks said:
I was told that for an object to execute SHM, the x (distance displaced from the spring) can't be greater than e .
First, you understand that 'e' here does not mean 2.7..., right? It's just the label being used for a variable.
In the text you posted, it stands for the extension of the spring when the mass is hanging at equilibrium. When oscillating, the displacement x is relative to that equilibrium position, so the total extension of the spring is e+x.
I do not see anywhere in the text that says x cannot exceed e, so I assume someone else said this. Suppose it does. In SHM, if the displacement is at times x then at other times it is -x. So if x can exceed e it will also happen that the total extension can go negative. Whether that's a problem depends on the type of spring.
Many springs have an 'open' relaxed state. That is, they are capable of being compressed by some amount c before becoming closed up. For other springs, c = 0.
SHM should occur provided x does not exceed e+c.
 
haruspex said:
First, you understand that 'e' here does not mean 2.7..., right? It's just the label being used for a variable.
In the text you posted, it stands for the extension of the spring when the mass is hanging at equilibrium. When oscillating, the displacement x is relative to that equilibrium position, so the total extension of the spring is e+x.
I do not see anywhere in the text that says x cannot exceed e, so I assume someone else said this. Suppose it does. In SHM, if the displacement is at times x then at other times it is -x. So if x can exceed e it will also happen that the total extension can go negative. Whether that's a problem depends on the type of spring.
Many springs have an 'open' relaxed state. That is, they are capable of being compressed by some amount c before becoming closed up. For other springs, c = 0.
SHM should occur provided x does not exceed e+c.

well what happen if x exceed e ?
 
Haruspex explained that. The spring may stop working as a spring if |x| > |e|

In your diagram..

L0 = unstretched length of a tension spring.
L0+e = the length with the mass at rest.
x = displacement from L0+e

If the vertical displacement x is greater than e the mass will rise to a position above L0 and the spring may stop working as a spring. Many tension springs don't work in compression.

For example this type doesn't work in compression only tension..

This type will handle compression but only up to a limit..

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CWatters said:
For example this type doesn't work in compression only tension..
Thanks for posting the two images. They explain it much better than I could in words.
For the first image, it may even be true that it only works as a spring under sufficient tension. It may be effectively under tension before it is expanded at all.
 

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