Condition of simple harmonic motion

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The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for an object to execute simple harmonic motion (SHM), specifically focusing on the displacement from a spring and its relationship to a variable labeled 'e', which represents the spring's extension at equilibrium.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of 'e' in the context of spring extension and question the assertion that displacement x cannot exceed e. They discuss the implications of exceeding this limit and the conditions under which SHM can still occur.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mechanics of springs and the conditions for SHM, noting that exceeding the extension could lead to the spring not functioning properly. The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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There is a mention of different types of springs and their behavior under tension and compression, indicating that the discussion may be influenced by specific characteristics of the springs in question.

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I was told that for an object to execute SHM, the x (distance displaced from the spring) can't be greater than e . Why is this so? i can't understand. can someone explain please?

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kelvin macks said:
I was told that for an object to execute SHM, the x (distance displaced from the spring) can't be greater than e .
First, you understand that 'e' here does not mean 2.7..., right? It's just the label being used for a variable.
In the text you posted, it stands for the extension of the spring when the mass is hanging at equilibrium. When oscillating, the displacement x is relative to that equilibrium position, so the total extension of the spring is e+x.
I do not see anywhere in the text that says x cannot exceed e, so I assume someone else said this. Suppose it does. In SHM, if the displacement is at times x then at other times it is -x. So if x can exceed e it will also happen that the total extension can go negative. Whether that's a problem depends on the type of spring.
Many springs have an 'open' relaxed state. That is, they are capable of being compressed by some amount c before becoming closed up. For other springs, c = 0.
SHM should occur provided x does not exceed e+c.
 
haruspex said:
First, you understand that 'e' here does not mean 2.7..., right? It's just the label being used for a variable.
In the text you posted, it stands for the extension of the spring when the mass is hanging at equilibrium. When oscillating, the displacement x is relative to that equilibrium position, so the total extension of the spring is e+x.
I do not see anywhere in the text that says x cannot exceed e, so I assume someone else said this. Suppose it does. In SHM, if the displacement is at times x then at other times it is -x. So if x can exceed e it will also happen that the total extension can go negative. Whether that's a problem depends on the type of spring.
Many springs have an 'open' relaxed state. That is, they are capable of being compressed by some amount c before becoming closed up. For other springs, c = 0.
SHM should occur provided x does not exceed e+c.

well what happen if x exceed e ?
 
Haruspex explained that. The spring may stop working as a spring if |x| > |e|

In your diagram..

L0 = unstretched length of a tension spring.
L0+e = the length with the mass at rest.
x = displacement from L0+e

If the vertical displacement x is greater than e the mass will rise to a position above L0 and the spring may stop working as a spring. Many tension springs don't work in compression.

For example this type doesn't work in compression only tension..

This type will handle compression but only up to a limit..

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CWatters said:
For example this type doesn't work in compression only tension..
Thanks for posting the two images. They explain it much better than I could in words.
For the first image, it may even be true that it only works as a spring under sufficient tension. It may be effectively under tension before it is expanded at all.
 

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