Conducting liquid that is not electrolysed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying a conducting liquid that does not undergo electrolysis when current passes through it. Participants explore various options, including salt solutions and liquid metals, while considering practical applications such as switches. The scope includes chemistry and engineering considerations.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests mercury as a conducting liquid but seeks alternatives that are less hazardous and more affordable.
  • Another participant inquires about the behavior of copper sulfate solution when AC current is applied, questioning whether it would reach a state of equilibrium or undergo electrolysis.
  • A participant mentions that charge transfer between electrodes and the solution does not necessarily imply electrolysis, as it could involve redox reactions.
  • There is a suggestion to consider aluminum wires, although one participant clarifies the need for a liquid conductor.
  • Another participant notes the lack of known fluids that conduct electricity well enough for high currents, referencing the phase-out of mercury switches due to regulations.
  • A suggestion is made to explore fine carbon powder as a potential alternative, which could mimic fluid behavior while conducting electricity.
  • Participants discuss the specific application of the liquid conductor, emphasizing the need for it to work with AC, but also expressing interest in DC compatibility.
  • One participant questions the necessity of a liquid, proposing that small metal balls on rails might suffice for the intended application.
  • There is a mention of electrolytic capacitors and their operation, which relates to the discussion of AC versus DC conductivity.
  • Concerns are raised about the byproducts of electrolysis, specifically sulfuric acid from copper sulfate solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on suitable conducting liquids, with no consensus reached on a specific alternative to mercury. The discussion includes multiple competing ideas and remains unresolved regarding the best option.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, indicating that it involves both chemistry and engineering aspects. There are unresolved questions about the behavior of specific solutions under different current types and the implications of electrolysis.

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Hi,
Can anyone suggest a conducting liquid that does not get electrolysed when current passes through it ?
By liquid i mean anything, a salt solution, a liquid metal...The only restricting factor is that is should be in liquid state at room temperature(i.e does not require extra heating/cooling/attention)

Mercury is option 1, but I'm looking for alternatives...
Gallium is 2, but it's hell costly.
Any ? Thanks.
 
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In any case, Suppose I use copper sulphate solution and pass AC current through it, will it get electrolysed or will it be in a state of equilibrium ?
 
Charge transfer between electrode and solution always means electrode reaction. It doesn't have to be electrolysis - it can be reduction/oxidation, something like Fe(III)/Fe(II).
 
So is CuSO4 a good idea?
If not, could you suggest a relatively inexpensive liquid that i could use to conduct electricity (since i live under the sea, and we don't allow copper wires here...Stupid government)
 
Use aluminum wires.
 
I need a liquid, not a solid...
There must be something like mercury but slightly less deadly and also cheap...
 
If you find one, you can create a replacement for mercury switches (which've been phased out due to RoHS).

So far I don't think anyone really has because there simply isn't any known fluid that conducts electricity well enough, or at currents high enough.
 
Eptheta if you describe your application people here might come up with suitable alternatives to a liquid.I am thinking of fine carbon powder,it is a good conductor and acts a bit like a fluid.
 
Ah, I should probably think of this on my own anyway. (It does have to to with switches and bounce though...)
Thanks a lot though. I'll look into carbon powder and see if it suits my application.

This topic can be closed. I don't want to take the fun out of experimenting !
 
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Do you want to conduct dc or ac?
 
  • #11
Ah what the heck !
The application is something like a switch which creates a circuit due to the electrical conductivity of the liquid.

I need it specifically for AC, but it would be great if it works for DC too...
 
  • #12
Why does it have to be a liquid - perhaps small metal ball on rails will do the trick?

What currents do you expect - small ones? Large ones?

I have a feeling it is not a chemistry problem, more engineering one.
 
  • #13
Good point...
The idea of this thread was just so i can find a suitable 'liquid' (chemistry involved) to start my 'engineering' project (one option) with, but it has evolved to become a discussion of my project itself (which I don't want really).
So I'll stop it here. Thank for all the suggestions, i appreciate it, but I'm going to have to end up doing it myself.

Can this topic be closed? (every new reply tempts me to start discussing it again)
Thanks.
 
  • #14
I just wanted to give you a tip: Look up how an electrolytic capacitor works.
That's why I was asking whether ac would do.
 
  • #15
eptheta said:
So is CuSO4 a good idea?

CuSO4 solutions yield sulfuric acid when electrolyzed...
 
  • #16
Depends on what is happening on anode.
 

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