Conformal symmetry group for R(1,3)

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Lie algebra for the conformal symmetry group in the context of theoretical physics. Participants explore various methods and challenges related to this derivation, including coordinate transformations and the implications of Lorentz covariance.

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  • One participant seeks assistance in deriving the Lie algebra for the conformal symmetry group, presenting equations and expressing uncertainty about specific aspects of the derivation.
  • Another participant references a previous thread that contains multiple methods for deriving the conformal algebra, suggesting it as a resource.
  • A participant expresses interest in deriving the Lie algebra using a unitary representation approach without relying on the postulate that conformal generators transform like Lorentz vectors, indicating difficulties with the conformal term.
  • One participant notes that Lorentz covariance is crucial for the algebraic method they are using and mentions the complexity of the multiplication law for the full conformal group due to its non-linear nature.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the existence of a central extension to the Lie algebra for the conformal group, referencing literature that discusses a chiral charge and inquiring about the commutators involved.

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Participants express differing views on the methods for deriving the Lie algebra, with some advocating for specific approaches while others highlight challenges and complexities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method and the existence of a central extension.

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Participants indicate uncertainties about specific mathematical steps and the implications of certain assumptions, such as the behavior of symmetric rank two tensors on the light cone and the termination of power series in higher dimensions.

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I'm trying to derive the lie algebra for the conformal symmetry group and was curious if anyone could help?

I'll go through what I have and highlight the parts I"m unsure of

[tex] ds^2 = \bar g_{\alpha \beta } (\bar x)d\bar x^\alpha d\bar x^\beta = g_{\alpha \beta } (x)dx^\alpha dx^\beta [/tex]

doing coordinate change [tex] \bar x^\alpha = x^\alpha + \varepsilon \xi ^\alpha (x)[/tex]

where [tex]\varepsilon[/tex] is an infinitesimal and [tex]\xi[/tex] is a killing vector.

[tex] ds^2 = (g_{\alpha \beta } (x) + g_{\alpha \beta ,\gamma } \varepsilon \xi ^\gamma + \delta g_{\alpha \beta } )(\delta _\mu ^\alpha + \varepsilon \xi _\mu ^\alpha )(\delta _\tau ^\beta + \varepsilon \xi _\tau ^\beta )dx^\mu dx^\tau [/tex]

if nothing is to change, you get the requirement

[tex] 0 = \delta g_{\alpha \beta } dx^\alpha dx^\beta = - \varepsilon (\xi _{\alpha ;\beta } + \xi _{\beta ;\alpha } )[/tex]

Assuming your on the light cone [tex] g_{\alpha \beta } dx^\alpha dx^\beta = 0[/tex], you can say [tex] \xi _{\alpha ;\beta } + \xi _{\beta ;\alpha } = \lambda g_{\alpha \beta }[/tex]

( I'm not sure why this last equation is true. Wouldn't any symmetric rank two tensor on light cone work?)

This differential equation can be solved by looking at the power series and for dimensions greater or equal to 3 you get the answer:

[tex] \xi ^\alpha = x^\alpha + \omega ^{\alpha \beta } x_\beta + a^\alpha + \lambda x^\alpha + \rho ^\alpha x^\mu x_\mu - 2x^\alpha \rho ^\mu x_\mu [/tex]

(I don't understand why the power series terminates after the second derivative term for dimensions 3 and higher?)

an infinitesimal group element is
[tex] U(1 + \omega ,a,\lambda ,\rho ) = 1 + (i/2)J^{\alpha \beta } \omega _{\alpha \beta } + iP^\alpha a_\alpha + i\lambda D + i\rho _\alpha K^\alpha [/tex]

Now I should be able to use the composition of coordinates and infinitesimal group element to derive the lie algebra, but I can't seem to get it to work. I can do it for the Lorentz group and even the intrinsically projective Galilean group, but can't make this work. How do I go about it?
 
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great stuff sam,

I read your posts and they are a treasure trove, but I was still curious can you derive the lie algebra the unitary representation way without the postulate that the conformal generators transform like a lorentz vectors? I should be able to do it solely off of the composition law of the coordinate change right? But when I try to work it out, I run into problems with the conformal term. Any help?
 
Lorentz covariace was an essential part of the algebriac method which I was doing, see EX(5.5). But yes, you should be able to do it, all you need is correct multiplication law. For the full conformal group, this law is a bit complicated because of the non-linear nature of the conformal transformation.This is why I was treating subgroups of of the conformal group. Any way, if you could show me your work, I might be able to tell you what to do about what.

regards

sam
 
Sam, let me ask a follow up question that I didn't see in your paper. Is there a central extension to the lie algebra for the conformal group? I was looking at Ferrara and Fayet and they mention this thing called the chiral charge, and it looks like a central extension. If there is one in which commutators does it appear?
 

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