Confused about Parity Operator & Degeneracy in Quantum Mechanics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the parity operator and its relationship with degeneracy in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of the Hydrogen atom and the implications of commuting operators. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these concepts within their quantum mechanics studies.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the parity operator and degeneracy in the Hamiltonian, noting that Hydrogen wave functions exhibit definite parity despite the degeneracy of the spectrum.
  • Another participant challenges the initial statement about the theorem, asserting that if the Hamiltonian and parity operator commute, they can share simultaneous eigenstates, suggesting a misunderstanding in the original claim.
  • A participant clarifies that while degenerate states can exist with different parities, perturbations that do not respect parity can break this degeneracy, using the Stark effect as an example.
  • Further elaboration indicates that if a normalized eigenket of the Hamiltonian is considered, the application of the parity operator results in another eigenket, maintaining degeneracy and allowing for the construction of linear combinations that have definite parity.
  • One participant acknowledges their limited understanding of the topic, indicating a desire to grasp the concepts more thoroughly rather than passively accepting information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of the theorem related to the parity operator and degeneracy, with some asserting that the original statement is incorrect while others seek clarification on the nuances of the theorem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of degeneracy and the conditions under which the parity operator and Hamiltonian can share eigenstates, as well as the implications of perturbations on these states.

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We're working on the parity operator in my second semester quantum mechanics class and there is one point I am confused about, either in the definition of degeneracy or in the parity operator itself. We talked about a theorem whereby the parity operator and the Hamiltonian cannot share simultaneous eigenkets (or, alternatively, wave functions) if there is a degeneracy in the Hamiltonian, regardless of whether or not parity and the Hamiltonian commute.

However, I thought that the Hydrogen wave functions have a definite parity (going as whether \ell is even or odd), even though the Hydrogen spectrum is highly degenerate ignoring corrections. What am I missing?

Thanks!
Tom
 
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that theorem is false! at least as you quoted it (your own example correctly contradicts it!). If H and P commute then they have simultaneous eigenstates. So there must be something missing... Do you have a reference? Does this theorem have a name?

What can happen is that if you have degenerate states in the Hamiltonian with different parities, that degeneracy can be destroyed by a perturbation that does not respect parity. For example, the Stark effect.
 
The statement is along the lines of "For commuting H and P, if H is degenerate its eigenkets do not have definite parity."

i.e. there is room for wiggling out of this due to degeneracy. We also talked about the double-well potential in the context of symmetry breaking... but I don't claim to fully grasp that yet.
 
If |\phi\rangle is a normalized eigenket of H, then so is P|\phi\rangle if H and P commute. Furthermore, these states are degenerate. Therefore, any linear combination of these states are also eigenstates of H.

In particular:

|\pm\rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(|\phi\rangle\pm P|\phi\rangle\right)

are degenerate eigenstates with definite parity. So you should always be able to chose eigenstates that have definite parity.

There must be more to this theorem...
 
Thanks — I thought so, too, but this is my first serious exposure to parity or discrete symmetries at all. I'm making an attempt at trying to actually understand it rather than just floating along.
 

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