Confused About Tensor Density Behaviour

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of tensor densities when multiplied by vectors, particularly in the context of covariant derivatives. Participants explore the mathematical properties and rules governing tensor densities and their derivatives, referencing various texts for clarification.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how tensor densities behave when multiplied by vectors and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant states that the covariant derivative of \((-g)^{1/2}\) is zero, allowing it to be factored out of the covariant derivative, and notes the additional term related to the weight of the tensor density.
  • A participant questions whether the covariant derivative is distributive like the Lie derivative and seeks a proof for this property.
  • Another participant confirms the distributive property of the covariant derivative for tensor products and suggests a mechanical proof using the definition in terms of Christoffel symbols.
  • One participant mentions the Leibnitz rule, asserting that all derivatives satisfy this rule and references Wald's definition of derivatives as maps on tensors that adhere to certain properties, including the Leibnitz rule.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the behavior of tensor densities, and multiple perspectives on the properties of covariant derivatives and tensor densities remain present.

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Some assumptions about the definitions of tensor densities and covariant derivatives are not explicitly stated, and the discussion includes references to specific texts that may not be universally accessible to all participants.

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\nabla_a[(-g)^{\frac{1}{2}}T^a] = T^a\nabla_a[(-g)^{\frac{1}{2}}]+(-g)^{\frac{1}{2}}\nabla_aT^a

I just realized that I don't quite understand how a tensor density behaves when multiplied by a vector. I'm trying to find some clues in D'Inverno's book but I'm getting more confused.

Thanks in advance :)
 
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\triangledown _{\mu }(-g)^{1/2}= 0 so you can pull it out of the covariant derivative. The main difference between tensor densities and tensors with regards to the covariant derivative is that with the former you have an extra term involving the weight of the density.
 
WannabeNewton said:
\triangledown _{\mu }(-g)^{1/2}= 0 so you can pull it out of the covariant derivative. The main difference between tensor densities and tensors with regards to the covariant derivative is that with the former you have an extra term involving the weight of the density.

So the covariant derivative is distributive like the Lie derivative? How could I prove that?

Thanks
 
Yes \triangledown _{\alpha }(S\otimes T) = T\otimes (\triangledown_{\alpha }S ) + S\otimes (\triangledown _{\alpha }T). One rather easy way (but a tad bit mechanical) to prove it, in component form, would be to take the general definition of the covariant derivative in terms of the christoffel symbol and use the fact that the product of an (m,n) tensor with an (k, l) tensor gives some (m + k, n + l) tensor.
 
You're just asking about the Leibnitz rule. I'm pretty sure every derivative ever invented satisfies the Liebnitz rule. (If it didn't, I wouldn't want to call it a derivative.)

For example see Wald where he defines derivatives as maps on tensors that satisfy a number of properties, among them the Leibnitz rule. (The covariant derivative is one such derivative. And keep in mind that from Wald's point of view tensor densities are just tensors chosen with respect to particular coordinate systems.)
 

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