Confused About the Chain Rule for Partial Differentiation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule for partial differentiation as presented in Goldstein's text on Lagrangian mechanics, specifically in the context of D'Alembert's Principle and its relation to Lagrange's equations. Participants seek clarification on the mathematical expressions and their implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) presents a chain rule for partial differentiation and expresses confusion regarding its application in deriving Lagrange's equations.
  • Some participants suggest that the OP's LaTeX formatting may be incorrect, pointing out specific errors in the code used for mathematical expressions.
  • There are recommendations for the OP to use the preview feature when posting LaTeX to catch formatting errors early.
  • One participant reiterates the importance of correct LaTeX syntax, noting that the direction of slashes in commands matters.
  • The OP acknowledges the feedback and expresses gratitude for the assistance with formatting issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of correct LaTeX formatting and the need for clarity in mathematical expressions. However, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the OP's understanding of the chain rule and its application in the context provided by Goldstein.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the OP's confusion about the mathematical concepts, and the participants focus primarily on formatting issues rather than the underlying physics or mathematics.

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Hey all,

I am reading Goldstein and I am at a point where I can't follow along. He has started with D'Alembert's Principle and he is showing that Lagrange's equation can be derived from it. He states the chain rule for partial differentiation:
\frac{d\textbf{r}_i}{dt}=\sum_k \frac{\partial \mathbf{r}_i}{\partial q_k}\dot{q}_k+\frac{\partial \mathbf{r}_i}{\partial t}

Then he states, by the equation above, that:
\frac{d}{dt}\frac{d\mathbf{r}_i}{dq_j}=\sum_k \frac{\partial^2 \textbf{r}_i}{\partial q_j \partial q_k}\dot{q}_k+\frac{\partial^2 \mathbf{r}_i}{\partial q_j\partial t}

He further states from the first equation that:
\frac{\partial \mathbf{v}_i}{\partial \dot{q}_j}=\frac{\partial \mathbf{r}_i}{\partial q_j}

I have tried to connect the dots but I cannot succeed. Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Try using \mathbf{} instead of textbf. Also, you're missing a \ on the frac command in your second LaTeX line.
Here is a snippet using mathbf: ##\frac{d}{dt}\frac{d\mathbf{r_i}}{dq_j}##

Unrendered, this is # #\frac{d}{dt}\frac{d\mathbf{r_i}}{dq_j}# # (spaces added between # chars to prevent rendering). If you fix your LaTeX code, I'll take a look. Otherwise, it's too complicated to try to figure out what you wrote.
 
Also, on your final tex, the slash should be in the opposite direction, i.e., /tex.

It is a good practice to preview your LaTex equations while they are partially under construction so that you can spot errors early on and correct them.
 
coca-cola said:
Hey all,

I am reading Goldstein and I am at a point where I can't follow along. He has started with D'Alembert's Principle and he is showing that Lagrange's equation can be derived from it. He states the chain rule for partial differentiation:
\frac{d\textbf{r}_i}{dt}=\sum_k \frac{\partial \textbf{r}_i}{\partial q_k}\dot{q}_k+\frac{\partial \textbf{r}_i}{\partial t}

Then he states, by the equation above, that:
\frac{d}{dt}\frac{d\textbf{r}_i}{dq_j}=\sum_k \frac{\partial^2 \textbf{r}_i}{\partial q_j \partial q_k}\dot{q}_k+\frac{\partial^2 \textbf{r}_i}{\partial q_j\partial t}

He further states from the first equation that:
\frac{\partial \textbf{v}_i}{\partial \dot{q}_j}=\frac{\partial \textbf{r}_i}{\partial q_j}

I have tried to connect the dots but I cannot succeed. Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Equations from OP fixed above. When doing heavy Latex work, always check your post by hitting the Preview button to make sure everything is correct.
 
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Hey, just checked back in. My apologies guys, I don't post often. I didn't even see the preview option. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the formatting help!
 

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