Confused about the proof of U = U + U, where U is a subspace

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding a proof related to the equality of a subspace U and the sum of the subspace with itself, denoted as U + U. The participants are exploring the implications of the proof steps and the definitions involved in vector spaces and subspaces.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why the proof shows U + U is a subset of U and not the other way around. They express confusion about the logical flow of the proof and the reasoning behind each step.
  • Some participants question the differences in the proof's structure for the two directions of the subset relationship, seeking clarity on the reasoning used in each part.
  • Others suggest that the proof relies on properties of vector spaces, such as closure under addition and the existence of an additive identity, to establish the necessary relationships.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively seeking clarification on the proof's logic. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of subset relationships and the properties of vector spaces, but there is no explicit consensus on the confusion expressed by the original poster.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of proofs in pure mathematics, particularly in the context of vector spaces and subspaces. The original poster indicates this is their first experience with such proofs, which may contribute to their confusion.

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Homework Statement



Hi I need help understanding a proof. This is my first time in a pure math class, so proofs of this type are a little weird to me.

If U is a subspace of the vectorspace V, what is U+U?

Homework Equations



The proof:


(v_{1}+v_{2})\in U+U

As v_{1},v_{2}\in Uand U is a subspace of V,

(v_{1}+v_{2})\in U

Thus U+U\subseteq U

Now let
v\in U.

Then as 0\in U,

v=(v+0)\in U+U.

Thus U\subseteq U+U

\therefore U=U+U



The Attempt at a Solution



I don't understand why the first part proves U+U\subseteq U rather than U\subseteq U+U.

Similarly, I don't understand why the second part proves U\subseteq U+U rather than proving U+U\subseteq U.

I guess I just don't understand why each part proves 1 direction of the equality by not the other direction.


Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
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I don't understand what's confusing you. In the first part you picked a general element of U+U and showed that it's in U, right? If I pick any element of A and show that it is in B, that means A is a subset of B, also right?
 
Ok I agree with you. But why is the second part of the proof so much different from the first part?

Couldn't I just exchange the 1st and 3rd line of the proof to prove the other direction?
 
The second part is different, uh, because it's different. Now you want to take an element of U and show it's in U+U. The first part uses the fact that vector spaces are closed under addition. The second part uses that they have an additive identity. They really are different.
 
To prove that 2 set A and B are equal, one has to prove that A is a subset of B, and B is also a subset of A. Or written formally:

A = B \Leftrightarrow \left\{ \begin{array}{ccc} A & \subset & B \\ B & \subset & A \end{array} \right.

Or in words, A are B are equal, iff every element of A is contained in B, and vice-versa.

Vector-space (or sub-space) can be understood as a set of vectors with 2 predefined operators: vector addition, and scalar multiplication.

So to prove 2 subspace A, and B are equal, one just needs to prove:

A = B \Leftrightarrow \left\{ \begin{array}{ccc} A & \subset & B \\ B & \subset & A \end{array} \right.

PhillipKP said:

Homework Statement



Hi I need help understanding a proof. This is my first time in a pure math class, so proofs of this type are a little weird to me.

If U is a subspace of the vectorspace V, what is U+U?

Homework Equations



The proof:(v_{1}+v_{2})\in U+U

We'll now be proving that every element of U + U is in U. First, take out a random vector in U + U, namely v1 + v2.

As v_{1},v_{2}\in Uand U is a subspace of V,

(v_{1}+v_{2})\in U

We have proved that this vector is also contained in U. And hence, we have:

Thus U+U\subseteq U

Our second step is to prove that every element of U is contained in U + U.

Now let
v\in U.

Consider a random vector v in U.

Then as 0\in U,

v=(v+0)\in U+U.

Thus U\subseteq U+U

Our second goal is here.. And hence:

\therefore U=U+U

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't understand why the first part proves U+U\subseteq U rather than U\subseteq U+U.

Similarly, I don't understand why the second part proves U\subseteq U+U rather than proving U+U\subseteq U.

I guess I just don't understand why each part proves 1 direction of the equality by not the other direction.Thanks for any help you can provide.

Are there any more steps that confuse you?
 

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