Confused about the terminology moment

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The discussion centers around the terminology of "moment," specifically the distinctions between the 1st moment and 2nd moment, and their various meanings in different contexts such as torque, area, and moment of inertia. Participants explore the implications of these terms in engineering and physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of "moment" and its numerical designations.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the context in which "moment" is being used.
  • A participant identifies the 1st Moment of Area and 2nd Moment of Area, explaining their relevance to the distribution of points in an area and their applications in finding centroids and in strength of materials.
  • Another participant questions the general meaning of "moment," noting the overlap with torque and the various contexts in which the term is used.
  • A participant explains that "moment" can refer to different concepts in engineering, including torque and moment of inertia, which can describe mass distribution or area distribution about an axis.
  • One participant mentions the broad application of the term "moment" across various fields, including physics and mathematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion and seek clarification on the terminology, indicating that there is no consensus on a singular definition or understanding of "moment." Multiple interpretations and contexts remain under discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential for misunderstanding due to the multiple meanings of "moment" in different scientific and engineering contexts, as well as the lack of clarity regarding the relationships between these meanings.

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Hello,

I am confused about the terminology moment, specifically that there is a 1st moment and 2nd moment. What does moment even mean, and why does it have numbers associated with them?
 
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What context is it being used in?
 
torques
 
Are you referring to the 1st Moment of Area and 2nd Moment of Area?

If so, these are relations based on the distributions of points in an area, e.g.:
1st Moment of Area:
##S_x = \int_A y {\rm d}A##
(This is often used to find the centroid of an object.)

2nd Moment of Area:
##I_x = \int_A y^2 {\rm d}A##
(This is an important quantity in strength of materials/Euler-Bernoulli beam theory.)
 
What the heck does Moment mean though? So before it was torque, now it is something associated with area? Then there is moment of inertia, I am confused with the repeated use of the word moment. Does it have some sort of general meaning?
 
Moment can be many things. In engineering we often use moment and torque interchangeably.

Moment of inertia can also have multiple meanings: it can be a measure of how mass is distributed about an axis (mass moment of inertia; used in dynamics) or a measure of how area is distributed about an axis (in strength of materials). This latter definition is also known as the Second Moment of Area.

You can think of moments as being quantities measured about an axis or surface. More abstractly, in mathematics a moment is a measure about a set of points (this is ultimately where the term comes from). The multiplicity of meaning of the term "moment" can get confusing when you're first exposed to it.
 
There's all kinds of moments. This should help you learn the physics ones:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_(physics)

Don't worry, there's some moments associated with mathematics, particularly statistics.

The concept is a general one. You can even find it used in thermodynamics.
 

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