Confusion: computation of class number of K=Q(sqrt(30))

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The discussion centers on computing the class number of the number field K = Q(√30) using the Minkowski bound. Participants identified the prime ideals (2) = p²₂, (3) = p²₃, and (5) = p²₅, where pₙ = (n, √30). They concluded that none of the prime ideals are principal and derived the relation p₂p₃p₅ = (30), leading to confusion regarding the class group order, which was initially thought to be 4 but is actually 2. The discrepancy arises from misunderstandings about the properties of these ideals and their inverses in the class group.

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As an exercise, I'm trying to compute the class number of K = \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{30}). By the Minkowski bound, I just need to consider the prime ideals which divide 2,3,5.
I've found that

(2) = \mathfrak{p}^2_2
(3) = \mathfrak{p}^2_3
(5) = \mathfrak{p}^2_5

where \mathfrak{p}_n = (n, \sqrt{30}).

Also, using Legendre symbols it's easy to see that none of the \mathfrak{p}_n, n = 2,3,5, is principal.

Moreover, I've found the relation

\mathfrak{p}_2 \mathfrak{p}_3 \mathfrak{p}_5 = (30).

Now, these relations make me think that the class group is of order 4 (generated by \mathfrak{p}_2, \mathfrak{p}_3, with the two generators in different ideal classes because of the last relation and the fact that \mathfrak{p}_5 is not principal).

BUT: I know that the class number should be 2.

Can anyone help me? I'm really confused!

Thanks!
 
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iccanobif said:
As an exercise, I'm trying to compute the class number of K = \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{30}). By the Minkowski bound, I just need to consider the prime ideals which divide 2,3,5.
I've found that

(2) = \mathfrak{p}^2_2
(3) = \mathfrak{p}^2_3
(5) = \mathfrak{p}^2_5

where \mathfrak{p}_n = (n, \sqrt{30}).

Also, using Legendre symbols it's easy to see that none of the \mathfrak{p}_n, n = 2,3,5, is principal.

Moreover, I've found the relation

\mathfrak{p}_2 \mathfrak{p}_3 \mathfrak{p}_5 = (30).

Now, these relations make me think that the class group is of order 4 (generated by \mathfrak{p}_2, \mathfrak{p}_3, with the two generators in different ideal classes because of the last relation and the fact that \mathfrak{p}_5 is not principal).

BUT: I know that the class number should be 2.

Can anyone help me? I'm really confused!

Thanks!



An idea: it's not hard to show that \mathfrak{p}_k^{-1}=\mathfrak{p}_k\,,\,\,k=2,3,5, so you'd only need to show

that all these ideal cosets are the in fact the same, and indeed (2,\sqrt{30})(3,\sqrt{30})=(\sqrt{30}) \Longrightarrow \mathfrak{p}_2=\mathfrak{p}_3\,\,\,and\,\,\,etc.

DonAntonio
 
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DonAntonio said:
An idea: it's not hard to show that \mathfrak{p}_k^{-1}=\mathfrak{p}_k\,,\,\,k=2,3,5, so you'd only need to show

that all these ideal cosets are the in fact the same, and indeed (2,\sqrt{30})(3,\sqrt{30})=(30)\Longrightarrow \mathfrak{p}_2=\mathfrak{p}_3\,\,\,and\,\,\,etc.

DonAntonio

My confusion comes from the fact that, although I know it's true what you said above (each \mathfrak{p}_n is its inverse in Cl_K, and also \mathfrak{p}_n \mathfrak{p}_m is principal), my problem is that

\mathfrak{p}_2 \mathfrak{p}_3 = 1
and
\mathfrak{p}_2 \mathfrak{p}_3 \mathfrak{p}_5 = 1
imply that
\mathfrak{p}_5 = 1
which it's not true, as \mathfrak{p}_5 is not principal.

I must have made a mistake somewhere, but I don't know where!
 
iccanobif said:
My confusion comes from the fact that, although I know it's true what you said above (each \mathfrak{p}_n is its inverse in Cl_K, and also \mathfrak{p}_n \mathfrak{p}_m is principal), my problem is that

\mathfrak{p}_2 \mathfrak{p}_3 = 1
and
\mathfrak{p}_2 \mathfrak{p}_3 \mathfrak{p}_5 = 1
imply that
\mathfrak{p}_5 = 1
which it's not true, as \mathfrak{p}_5 is not principal.

I must have made a mistake somewhere, but I don't know where!



Well, can you describe why you thin \,\,\mathfrak{p}_2\mathfrak{p}_3\mathfrak{p}_5=1\,\, ? As far as I can see, the product of the first

two already is 1, so how come when the third one comes you still get 1?

DonAntonio
 
iccanobif said:
(2) = \mathfrak{p}^2_2
(3) = \mathfrak{p}^2_3
(5) = \mathfrak{p}^2_5

\mathfrak{p}_2 \mathfrak{p}_3 \mathfrak{p}_5 = (30).
That can't be right. Your equations above say that (30) is the square of the left hand side.
 
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