Connected objects with friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the frictional force between a 3.81 kg mass and a table in a system involving two blocks connected by a massless string. The user initially calculated the system's acceleration using the kinematic equation and found it to be 2.723 m/s². They then attempted to find the frictional force by applying F=ma, but their result was incorrect. Participants clarified that the net force is the difference between the applied force and the frictional force, and suggested that the user should consider the tension in the rope and the forces acting on the descending mass to solve the problem correctly. Understanding these relationships is crucial for accurately determining the frictional force.
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Homework Statement


Two blocks are arranged at the ends of a massless string as shown in the figure. The system starts from rest. When the 2.33 kg mass has fallen through 0.315 m, its downward speed is 1.31 m/s.
The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2.

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What is the frictional force between the 3.81kg mass and the table?
Answer in units of N.

Homework Equations



ΣF=ma
Ff=μFn
v2-u2=2ax

The Attempt at a Solution



First, I found the acceleration of the system by using the formula v2-u2=2ax.
1.312-o2=2a*0.315
a=2.723 m/s^2

I then multiplied the mass of the block on the table by the acceleration because F=ma
F=3.81(2.723)
F=10.378I tried this answer, but it was wrong. I have no idea how to do this problem, but this is what I got to looking through my textbook and online. If anyone would explain how to get started solving it on the right track, I'd be extremely grateful.

Thanks!
 
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cfarrell said:
I then multiplied the mass of the block on the table by the acceleration because F=ma
F=3.81(2.723)
F=10.378

F=ma gives you the net force.
 
So if F=ma gives net force, is net force equal to applied force - friction force? How would I find the applied force on the block then, would I find the tension force in the rope between the blocks?
 
Yes, and yes!
 
cfarrell said:
would I find the tension force in the rope between the blocks?
Yes, but you cannot do that straight away because it is also related to the acceleration of the other mass. Consider the forces on the descending mass.
 
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