Connected objects with friction

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The problem involves two blocks connected by a massless string, with one block hanging and the other on a table. The scenario includes friction and requires determining the frictional force acting on the block on the table after a specific distance has been traversed by the hanging block.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the acceleration of the system using kinematic equations and then applies Newton's second law to find the force on the block on the table. Some participants question the distinction between net force and applied force, exploring how to find the tension in the rope.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying concepts related to net force and applied force. There is an exploration of the relationship between the forces acting on both blocks, and some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the forces on the descending mass.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the roles of tension and friction, and there may be assumptions about the system's setup that are not fully articulated.

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Homework Statement


Two blocks are arranged at the ends of a massless string as shown in the figure. The system starts from rest. When the 2.33 kg mass has fallen through 0.315 m, its downward speed is 1.31 m/s.
The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2.

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What is the frictional force between the 3.81kg mass and the table?
Answer in units of N.

Homework Equations



ΣF=ma
Ff=μFn
v2-u2=2ax

The Attempt at a Solution



First, I found the acceleration of the system by using the formula v2-u2=2ax.
1.312-o2=2a*0.315
a=2.723 m/s^2

I then multiplied the mass of the block on the table by the acceleration because F=ma
F=3.81(2.723)
F=10.378I tried this answer, but it was wrong. I have no idea how to do this problem, but this is what I got to looking through my textbook and online. If anyone would explain how to get started solving it on the right track, I'd be extremely grateful.

Thanks!
 
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cfarrell said:
I then multiplied the mass of the block on the table by the acceleration because F=ma
F=3.81(2.723)
F=10.378

F=ma gives you the net force.
 
So if F=ma gives net force, is net force equal to applied force - friction force? How would I find the applied force on the block then, would I find the tension force in the rope between the blocks?
 
Yes, and yes!
 
cfarrell said:
would I find the tension force in the rope between the blocks?
Yes, but you cannot do that straight away because it is also related to the acceleration of the other mass. Consider the forces on the descending mass.
 

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