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The discussion focuses on understanding Theorem 3.47 from Karl R. Stromberg's "An Introduction to Classical Real Analysis," specifically the proof involving open sets and intervals. The theorem states that if \( U \) is an open set, then for any point \( c \in U \), one can find \( c' > c \) such that the interval \([c, c']\) is contained within \( U \cap [a, b] \). Participants clarify that by selecting a smaller radius \( s < r \), it is possible to ensure that \([c, c+s] \subset [a, b]\) and thus satisfy the theorem's requirements.

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I am reading Karl R. Stromberg's book: "An Introduction to Classical Real Analysis". ... ...

I am focused on Chapter 3: Limits and Continuity ... ...

I need help in order to fully understand the proof of Theorem 3.47 on page 107 ... ... Theorem 3.47 and its proof read as follows:View attachment 9153
In the second paragraph of the above proof by Stromberg we read the following:

" ... ... Since $$U$$ is open we can choose $$c' \gt c$$ such that $$[ c, c' ] \subset U \cap [a, b]$$ ... ... "
My question is as follows:

Can someone please demonstrate rigorously why/how ...

$$U$$ is open $$\Longrightarrow$$ we can choose $$c' \gt c$$ such that $$[ c, c' ] \subset U \cap [a, b] $$ ... ...
Indeed I can see that ...

$$U$$ is open $$\Longrightarrow \exists$$ an open ball $$B_r(c) = \ ] c - r, c + r [ \ \subset U$$ ... ...but how do we conclude from here that

$$U$$ is open $$\Longrightarrow$$ we can choose $$c' \gt c$$ such that $$[ c, c' ] \subset U \cap [a, b]$$ ... ...*** EDIT ***

It may be that the solution is to choose $$s \lt r$$ so that $$[ c, c + s] \subset U$$ where $$c' = c + s$$ ... but how do we ensure this interval also belongs to $$[a, b]$$ ... ... ?

Help will be appreciated ... ...

Peter
=======================================================================================Stromberg uses slightly unusual notation for open intervals in $$\mathbb{R}$$ and $$\mathbb{R}^{\#} = \mathbb{R} \cup \{ \infty , - \infty \}$$ so I am providing access to Stromberg's definition of intervals in $$\mathbb{R}^{ \#} $$ ... as follows:

View attachment 9152

Hope that helps ...

Peter
 

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Peter said:
I am reading Karl R. Stromberg's book: "An Introduction to Classical Real Analysis". ... ...

I am focused on Chapter 3: Limits and Continuity ... ...

I need help in order to fully understand the proof of Theorem 3.47 on page 107 ... ... Theorem 3.47 and its proof read as follows:
In the second paragraph of the above proof by Stromberg we read the following:

" ... ... Since $$U$$ is open we can choose $$c' \gt c$$ such that $$[ c, c' ] \subset U \cap [a, b]$$ ... ... "
My question is as follows:

Can someone please demonstrate rigorously why/how ...

$$U$$ is open $$\Longrightarrow$$ we can choose $$c' \gt c$$ such that $$[ c, c' ] \subset U \cap [a, b] $$ ... ...
Indeed I can see that ...

$$U$$ is open $$\Longrightarrow \exists$$ an open ball $$B_r(c) = \ ] c - r, c + r [ \ \subset U$$ ... ...but how do we conclude from here that

$$U$$ is open $$\Longrightarrow$$ we can choose $$c' \gt c$$ such that $$[ c, c' ] \subset U \cap [a, b]$$ ... …
Take c' to be the smaller of c+ r/2 and (c+ b)/2. Then c< c'< c+ r so is in U and c' is half way between c and b so c' is in [a b].

*** EDIT ***

It may be that the solution is to choose $$s \lt r$$ so that $$[ c, c + s] \subset U$$ where $$c' = c + s$$ ... but how do we ensure this interval also belongs to $$[a, b]$$ ... ... ?

Help will be appreciated ... ...

Peter
=======================================================================================Stromberg uses slightly unusual notation for open intervals in $$\mathbb{R}$$ and $$\mathbb{R}^{\#} = \mathbb{R} \cup \{ \infty , - \infty \}$$ so I am providing access to Stromberg's definition of intervals in $$\mathbb{R}^{ \#} $$ ... as follows:
Hope that helps ...

Peter
 

Hi Peter,

Thank you for reaching out for help with understanding Theorem 3.47 in Stromberg's book. I am also currently studying this chapter and can offer some clarification on the proof.

First, let's define some notation to make things clearer. Let U be an open subset of [a,b], and let c \in U. Since U is open, there exists an open interval B_r(c) = ]c-r, c+r[ \subset U. Now, we can choose s < r such that [c, c+s] \subset B_r(c). This is possible because the interval B_r(c) is open, so we can "shrink" it by choosing a smaller radius s.

Next, we need to show that [c, c+s] \subset [a,b]. Since c \in U \subset [a,b], we know that c \in [a,b]. And since c+s < c+r, we have c+s < b, which means that c+s \in [a,b]. Similarly, since c \in U \subset [a,b], we have c \in [a,b] and since c < c+s, we have c > a, which means that c \in [a,b]. Therefore, [c,c+s] \subset [a,b].

Now, we can choose c' = c+s, and we have shown that c' > c and [c,c'] \subset [a,b]. Also, since [c,c'] \subset B_r(c) \subset U, we have [c,c'] \subset U \cap [a,b], as desired.

I hope this helps clarify the proof for you. Let me know if you have any other questions or need further explanation.

 

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