Connecting a glass dewar flask to a vacuum system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methods of connecting a glass dewar flask to a vacuum system, focusing on the sealing techniques and materials used to achieve a vacuum-tight connection. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of adhesives, mechanical fittings, and the design of the dewar itself, with implications for both laboratory and industrial applications.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a glass dewar flask is vacuum sealed and connected to a vacuum system.
  • Another suggests that brazing might be a method used to connect glass and metal components.
  • Some participants propose that adhesives like Stycast could create strong, vacuum-tight bonds, although there is skepticism about their suitability for ultra-high vacuum (UHV) applications.
  • A detailed description is provided of how large glass lab dewars are typically connected to vacuum systems, including the use of compression fittings and O-rings for sealing.
  • Concerns are raised about the fragility of glass labware and the trend towards using more durable materials like fiberglass or metal for dewars.
  • One participant clarifies that the type of glass dewar in question is often used for low-temperature experiments and is not designed for UHV conditions.
  • Stycast is mentioned as effective for vacuum vessels even in low-temperature environments, with a low leak rate reported by a participant who frequently uses it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the use of adhesives for vacuum sealing, particularly in UHV contexts. There is no consensus on the best method for connecting glass dewars to vacuum systems, with multiple competing approaches and materials discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of various sealing methods may depend on specific conditions, such as the vacuum level and temperature, and that the discussion does not resolve the suitability of adhesives for all applications.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to researchers and practitioners in fields involving vacuum systems, low-temperature physics, and materials science, particularly those exploring the design and functionality of glass dewars.

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I'm wondering how a glass dewar flask connects to a vacuum system, i.e. how is it vacuum sealed? Once it is sealed, I see how you can use appropriate flanges to pump out the, say, He gas, but how is a glask flask connected to this vacuum system?

Thanks.
 
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My guess is that the glass and metal were brazed together. Someone else who understands the manufacturing process can correct this.

Zz.
 
There are probably a few ways of doing this. However, I wouldn't be too surprised if glue could be used.
Stycast and a few other glues can be used to make strong, vacuum tight bonds between different materials and works surprisingly well as long as one keeps the usual things in mind (expansion coefficients etc)
 
Er, glue? Even for UHV systems?

I suppose I can expect some sort of an epoxy, but I must admit I don't know of any glue that is UHV compatible.

Zz.
 
For Thermos bottles (the type you drink out of), the bottom of the flask ends in a small diameter glass tubing. Large glass lab dewars often have a large-bore (1", e.g.) glass tube, the better to pump down quickly and deeply. It often comes out of the side near the top, for convenience. The transition to the vacuum system is made by slipping over a special brass or stainless collar that has a compression fitting similar to those used to connect 3/8" copper water tubing into the angle stop valve under your bathroom sink. The compression seal is made by a rubber O-ring instead of a brass ferrule, with a little high-vacuum silicone grease to ensure a good seal. A length of flexible piping, which can be heavy-walled rubber or a stainless steel bellows, provides strain relief between the glass dewar and the valve at the input port to the vacuum pump. In the lab, the dewar is always connected. The Thermos bottle, on the other hand, is pumped down and then its little glass tube is heated with a torch, sealed, and broken free. In some Thermos bottles, you can remove the bottom and see this.

Of course more exotic systems are available to address special requirements.
 
BTW, glass labware started phasing out a half-century ago, due to its fragility and because highly skilled artisans are needed to produce it. Dewars are now made of fiberglass or metal, which are rugged and can be mass-produced.
 
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. From reading the OP, I gather that this is an example of the type of connector that is in question:

http://www.mdcvacuum.com/DisplayProductContent.aspx?d=MDC&p=m.f.1.1.1

The glass to metal adapters are used in many situations, some time down to UHV level.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Er, glue? Even for UHV systems?

I suppose I can expect some sort of an epoxy, but I must admit I don't know of any glue that is UHV compatible.

Zz.

The OP talked about a glass dewar, so I assume he/she meant the type of glass helium dewar that is still often used for lab demonstrations of e.g. superfluidity and other low-temperature experiments.
Dewars of this type are not UHV, far from it (you have to pump out the isolation vacuum whenever you warm them up to room temperature).
Btw, stycast works quite well even for vacuum vessels immersed in liquid helium and the leak rate is quite low; I use it quite frequently.
 

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