Connecting Electric Potential and Thermal Energy

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the amount of water that can be boiled away in a tree after a lightning strike, given the potential difference between a cloud and a tree, the charge delivered by the lightning, and the specific heat and heat of vaporization of water. The context is rooted in concepts of electric potential and thermal energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of potential electric energy and how to apply it to find the mass of water that can be boiled. There are questions about the assumptions made regarding energy transfer and the initial conditions needed for the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different assumptions about energy distribution and questioning the calculations of potential energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the approach to calculate the mass of water based on energy requirements, but there is no consensus on the correct method or values yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of initial mass and final temperature in the problem statement, which complicates the calculations. There is also mention of a known answer that influences the discussion, but the exact reasoning to reach that answer remains unclear.

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Homework Statement


The question states:

You notice a thuderstorm and calculate the Potential Difference between a cloud and a tree to be 150 MV. You know that a lightning bolt delivers 60 C of charge. If the tree only absorbs 5% of the energy of this lightning bolt, with the rest going to the ground, if they tree is at 30 degrees C, how much water can be boiled away within the tree? Water has a specific heat of 4186 K/Kg degrees C, and boiling point is 100 degrees C, heat of vaporization is 2.26 x 10^6 J/Kg


Homework Equations


V = PE/q
Q=MC delta T
Q = ML

There must be something with Density, but I'm not completely sure.


The Attempt at a Solution



I figured out using V = PE/q (Solving for PE) that the Potential Electric Energy is 9 x 10^9, and that 5% of that is 45 x 10^7 (I'm pretty sure that's correct, but if I'm wrong let me know). From there, I'm not all to sure where to go since I'm not given an initial mass or a final temperature. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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could make the assumption all of the 5% goes towards boiling water (and only that) & use that info to work out a mass...
 
I do know that the answer is 88.1 kg (we're given the answer so we can work out the process), which is something I forgot to add earlier.
 
first work out how much energy it takes to boil 1kg, this is heating the water 70degC the vaporising it

then divide the 5% of electrical energy by this value & it will give you the mass of water you can boil

equivalent to writing
0.05*PE = M*(c.dT + L) and solving for M
 
Thats what I had thought to do, but the number ends up being too high, maybe I have the wrong PE?
 
yeah seems to be twice as big, so maybe we assume the potential difference between the cloud & gorund is zero after the strike, this means V vareis linearly from 150MV to zero as the charge is is treansferred giving,

then the energy is W = \intv.dq

with v(q) = V0.(q-q0)/q0
and integrate from 0 to q0

which gives PE = V0.q0/2

so effectively the cloud ground system is working like a capacitor with Capacitance q0/V0
 

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