Connection between relative permittivity and bandwidth

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between relative permittivity and the bandwidth of antennas, exploring how variations in permittivity might influence bandwidth characteristics. Participants reference different types of antennas and their surrounding materials, raising questions about the implications of these factors on performance.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the connection between relative permittivity and antenna bandwidth, suggesting that higher permittivity may lead to wider bandwidth.
  • One participant questions the relevance of relative permeability in this context, emphasizing that regular metal antennas are typically surrounded by air or vacuum.
  • Another participant acknowledges confusion regarding the distinction between permittivity and permeability, indicating a misunderstanding of the terms.
  • There is mention of a paper that suggests a connection between permittivity and bandwidth, though another participant notes that they heard contrary information in an antenna class.
  • One participant suggests that the relationship might depend on specific antenna geometries, such as folded dipoles, where the configuration could affect the interaction with surrounding materials.
  • A call for references to papers discussing this relationship is made, indicating a belief that it is a widely recognized topic among experts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the connection between relative permittivity and bandwidth, with no consensus reached. Some believe there is a general relationship, while others question its validity based on their experiences and knowledge.

Contextual Notes

Participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the definitions of permittivity and permeability, and there are references to specific antenna configurations that may influence the discussion. The relationship remains unresolved, with varying interpretations of existing literature.

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What is the connection of relative permittivity and bandwidth of an antenna?
Higher relative permittivity resulted in high wider bandwidth?
 
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qnach said:
What is the connection of relative permittivity and bandwidth of an antenna?
Higher relative permittivity resulted in high wider bandwidth?
Regular metal antennas (dipoles, monopoles, loops, folded dipoles, horns) are surrounded by air or vacuum. What relative permeability are you referring to?
 
berkeman said:
Regular metal antennas (dipoles, monopoles, loops, folded dipoles, horns) are surrounded by air or vacuum. What relative permeability are you referring to?

Yes, relativity permeability is simply the permeability of the metal divided by the vacuum permeability.
You can also simply discuss permeability vs bandwidth.

I saw this connection in a paper. But in a antenna class I heard the contrary. It seems everyone know this connection. I might made some mistakes.
 
Oops, my bad. I had a brain fade and was thinking of permittivity of the material surrounding the antenna. Sheesh.
qnach said:
I saw this connection in a paper. But in a antenna class I heard the contrary. It seems everyone know this connection.
Was it for a particular geometry of antenna? Like maybe a folded dipole, or some other configuration where the antenna metal comes close to itself?
 
qnach said:
I saw this connection in a paper.
qnach said:
I think it is a general relationship, and everybody know.
It looks like you will need to find and post some links to the papers that everybody is publishing on the subject...
 

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