Incorrect lecture notes relating Bandwidth with speed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between bandwidth and speed in the context of analogue and digital communications. Participants explore how bandwidth is defined and its implications for data transmission rates, raising questions about the accuracy of lecture notes that equate bandwidth with speed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines bandwidth as the spectral width of a signal and questions how it can be considered a measure of speed.
  • Another participant argues that while a high frequency sinusoid changes rapidly, its spectral content is limited to a single frequency, suggesting that the relationship between rapid changes and bandwidth is not straightforward.
  • Some participants propose that higher bandwidth allows for more throughput, interpreting "faster" as an increase in data transmission rate rather than speed in a physical sense.
  • There is a suggestion that the term "speed" in the lecture notes may be an umbrella term encompassing various concepts like rise time and data transmission rate, though this usage is seen as imprecise.
  • A later reply mentions the Shannon-Hartley theorem, indicating a relationship between bandwidth and channel capacity in bits per second, but does not resolve the earlier questions about the definition of speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of bandwidth and speed, with no consensus reached on the accuracy of the lecture notes or the terminology used.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of speed and bandwidth, as well as the assumptions underlying the statements made in the lecture notes. The discussion highlights the complexity of these concepts in communication theory.

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Hello PF. Thanks for reading.

My understanding of Bandwidth in the context in which I learn it (Analogue and Digital Communications) is that it is the spectral width of a signal, BW = f[upper] - f[lower].

However, my lecture notes then define 'fundamental limitations' as,

Bandwidth:
- A measure of "speed"
- When a signal changes rapidly with time, the frequency content (or spectrum) extends over a wide range; i.e. has "large bandwidth"
- The faster data is sent, the more bandwidth it uses (is needed)

This confuses me. I don't get how bandwidth is a measure of speed, other than how frequency in general relates to signals in the time domain. Are the bullet points above factually correct?

How rapidly a signal changes with time only determines at which frequency(s) it lies, not the width of the range of frequencies?

I understand how sending data faster could require more bandwidth; by increasing bandwidth, more simultaneous signals could be sent. But to say that increasing the speed of transmission will result in an increase in bandwidth, I just don't understand that.

Insight is most welcome.

Thanks!
 
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- When a signal changes rapidly with time, the frequency content (or spectrum) extends over a wide range; i.e. has "large bandwidth"
This isn't strictly true since a high frequency sinusoid "changes rapidly with time" but its spectral content is limited to a single frequency. It is, however, true for a trapezoidal waveform (which is a common approximation used for digital signals) - as you decrease its rise time, you increase the bandwidth (using your definition) of the waveform.

- The faster data is sent, the more bandwidth it uses (is needed)
I think its fair to say that higher bandwidth provides for more throughput. I understand "faster" in this context to mean an increase in data transmission rate.

But to say that increasing the speed of transmission will result in an increase in bandwidth, I just don't understand that.
What do you mean by 'speed of transmission'?
 
milesyoung said:
This isn't strictly true since a high frequency sinusoid "changes rapidly with time" but its spectral content is limited to a single frequency. It is, however, true for a trapezoidal waveform (which is a common approximation used for digital signals) - as you decrease its rise time, you increase the bandwidth (using your definition) of the waveform.

Okay, this I understand. Thanks.
milesyoung said:
I think its fair to say that higher bandwidth provides for more throughput. I understand "faster" in this context to mean an increase in data transmission rate.

So shouldn't this read that the more data sent simultaneously, the more bandwidth is required? Because the data could be being transmitted at the same rate but more data per unit time could result as an increase in bandwidth? ''Speed'' seems like the wrong word here. It's like suggesting "speed" is the cause of faster transmission due to a shorter cable.

milesyoung said:
What do you mean by 'speed of transmission'?

Sorry, by speed I meant rate as you used above, not propagation speed.
 
If I saw those slides/notes, I would just think "speed" was used as a kind of umbrella term for rise time, data transmission rate etc. - just a way to get you to think of "things that move/change fast".

It doesn't strictly make sense but it _is_ presented in quotes ;)
 
Okay, thanks for your replies. I also came across the Shannon-Hartley theorem which defines channel capacity in bits/s. BW goes up, bits/s goes up. Simple!
 

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