Conquering the Paper and Pen Challenge: A Physics-Based Solution

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The forum discussion revolves around a physics-based challenge to remove a sheet of paper from under a standing pen without causing the pen to fall. Participants suggest various strategies, including using quick motions to pull the paper out and leveraging the pen's mass and cap design. A notable solution involves leaving an edge of the paper hanging over a table and swiftly chopping it to maintain the pen's balance. The conversation also touches on the semantics of the challenge, indicating that the definition of "remove" can influence the outcome.

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  • Understanding of basic physics principles, particularly inertia and balance.
  • Familiarity with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle as it relates to stability.
  • Knowledge of quick motion techniques for manipulating objects.
  • Concept of semantics in problem-solving contexts.
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This discussion is beneficial for physics enthusiasts, educators, and anyone interested in creative problem-solving techniques that blend physics with semantics.

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Hello ! My friend challenged me to remove a sheet that is under a standing pen, without the pen falling. I can only use 2 finger and i can only touch the paper. Do you know a way to do this ? (he said that I have to use physics)
 
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What's the time-factor? If no time is specified and you remove the paper and the pen subsequently falls (even a fraction of a second later) you have done what was required.
 
The pen is supposed to stay standing.
 
Did he give you a precise definition of "remove"?

Got a match? :devil:
 
There's a good chance fire won't solve this problem. If the pen conducts heat well enough, it might prevent the paper around it from burning by conducting the necessary heat away from it.
 
Is this somehow similar to the "Cheers!" episode in which Norm puts a hat over a mug of beer and bets Cliff he can drink the beer without removing the hat. After Cliff accepts the bet, Norm gets under the bar and makes sucking noises like he's drinking the beer. Cliff says, "You didn't drink the beer." and lifts up the hat. Immediately Norm grabs the beer and drinks it.

Can someone else hold the pen while you remove the paper?
 
How on Earth do you get a pen to stand up in the first place? :confused:
 
Danger said:
How on Earth do you get a pen to stand up in the first place? :confused:

For a minute there I thought I was the only idiot who couldn't picture this! :biggrin:
 
Bobbadillio said:
There's a good chance fire won't solve this problem. If the pen conducts heat well enough, it might prevent the paper around it from burning by conducting the necessary heat away from it.

:confused:

phyzmatix said:
For a minute there I thought I was the only idiot who couldn't picture this! :biggrin:

I assume the pen has a cap with a flat surface.
 
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If the paper is a slippery playing card overhanging the edge of a table and you are able to give it a very quick snap, who knows? The more massive the pen and the larger the cap, the easier this might be.
 
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Make some magic motion with your hands around the pen. Then tell your friend the paper around the pen is gone and the pen is standing on the table. He won't believe you and lift up the pen. Then you grab the paper. Done! :P
 
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kimura said:
The pen is supposed to stay standing.
If you stand a pen on its point, it will fall over in about 15 seconds, due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, if I recall correctly the standing pencil problem in my QM course..
 
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Nick89 said:
Make some magic motion with your hands around the pen. Then tell your friend the paper around the pen is gone and the pen is standing on the table. He won't believe you and lift up the pen. Then you grab the paper. Done! :P
This is actually a perfectly valid solution. :approve:
 
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Leave an edge of the paper hanging over the edge of the table.
Grab the overhanging edge in one hand.
Use your other hand to "chop" the paper between your hand and the table, pulling the paper out so fast that the pen stays stading.
 
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i don't think you just have to use physics for this, but you can use semantics. stand the pen on a tabletop. place the sheet of paper on the floor 'under the standing pen'.. then remove the sheet of paper. mission accomplished, the pen is still standing.
 
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JAG. said:
i don't think you just have to use physics for this, but you can use semantics. stand the pen on a tabletop. place the sheet of paper on the floor 'under the standing pen'.. then remove the sheet of paper. mission accomplished, the pen is still standing.
Good one. Though it depends on who gets to set the demo up. If he'll grant you the privilege then you can rig it that way.

But if there were money riding on it I doubt he'd let you do the setup.
 

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