Conservation of angular and linear momentum

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the conservation of angular and linear momentum in the context of a completely inelastic collision between an incoming mass and a hinged rod. The original poster describes the scenario and presents calculations indicating that linear momentum appears not to be conserved, while angular momentum is preserved.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why linear momentum is not conserved in this scenario, despite their calculations. Participants question the implications of the rod being hinged and explore the role of external forces in momentum conservation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the implications of the hinge and the conditions under which momentum conservation applies. There is a recognition of the need to consider external forces affecting the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the hinge introduces external constraints, which may affect the conservation of linear momentum. The original poster's calculations suggest a misunderstanding of the system's dynamics due to these constraints.

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Homework Statement



http://home.phys.ntnu.no/brukdef/undervisning/tfy4145/ovinger/Ov10.pdf
Look at the picture in "oppgave 1".

Suppose you have an incoming mass which hits the very thin rod straight on in a completely inelastic collision. the incoming mass is ##m##, the rod has a mass of ##M##, and the little mass hits the rod at a length ##l## from the top.

According to the text, the linear momentum right before and right after are NOT preserved, while the angular momentum is.

The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated the total linear momentum before and after, and indeed I got:

[tex]p_0 = m v[/tex]
and
[tex]p_1 = \frac{m v + M L/2l}{MvL^2 /3ml^2 +1}[/tex]

so the two momentums are seemingly unpreserved. Why is this so? I realize it's a translational motion going over to a rotational one, but what does this have to do with linear momentum not being preserved??
 
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You forgot to mention that the rod is hinged at its top. What is the implication of that?
 
That the motion after the collision is rotational?
 
That too. But on a more fundamental level, conservation of momentum works only when no external forces act on the system. Is that the case with the hinged rod?
 
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ahh, of course. How stupid of me. thanks for the help :)
 

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