Conservation of Angular and Linear Momentum

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conservation of angular and linear momentum in a system where a student jumps off a rotating platform. The problem explores which quantities are conserved during this action, specifically focusing on the implications of internal and external forces in the context of the student-platform system.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the conservation laws applicable to the system, questioning why angular momentum is conserved while linear momentum is not. There is a discussion about the role of internal forces and the fixed nature of the platform's axle. Some participants suggest that if the platform were free to move, both types of momentum would be conserved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the conditions under which angular momentum is conserved. There is an exploration of the significance of the reference point for angular momentum and the impact of external forces on the system's momentum conservation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the platform's axle is presumably fixed to the ground, which affects the conservation of linear momentum. There is also mention of the need for clarity regarding the reference point for angular momentum conservation.

Jzhang27143
Messages
38
Reaction score
1

Homework Statement



A student initially stands on a circular platform that is free to rotate without friction about its center. The student jumps off tangentially, setting the platform spinning. Quantities that are conserved for the student-platform system as the student jumps include which of the following?

I. Linear Momentum
II. Angular Momentum
III. Kinetic Energy

Homework Equations



F = dp/dt, T = dl/dt

The Attempt at a Solution



The answer is only angular momentum. However, I do not understand why angular momentum is conserved but not linear momentum. Since the system consists of the student and the platform, the force of the student on the platform and the reaction force are internal forces. They don't contribute to external force or torque. Am I missing something?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Jzhang27143 said:

Homework Statement



A student initially stands on a circular platform that is free to rotate without friction about its center. The student jumps off tangentially, setting the platform spinning. Quantities that are conserved for the student-platform system as the student jumps include which of the following?

I. Linear Momentum
II. Angular Momentum
III. Kinetic Energy

Homework Equations



F = dp/dt, T = dl/dt

The Attempt at a Solution



The answer is only angular momentum. However, I do not understand why angular momentum is conserved but not linear momentum. Since the system consists of the student and the platform, the force of the student on the platform and the reaction force are internal forces. They don't contribute to external force or torque. Am I missing something?
If the platform were completely free to move, both would be conserved. But the center of the platform apparently doesn't move.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
Jzhang27143 said:
Am I missing something?
You are missing the external force from the platform's axle, which is presumably attached to the ground. If it wasn't fixed in place, then linear momentum would be conserved.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
The question isn't quite right, and that may lead to your confusion.
Angular momentum is only meaningful in terms of some reference point. In the present case, the question assumes that reference point is the axle of the platform. If you were to take any other reference point it would not be conserved.
Given the answers by Doc Al and SammyS, do you see why the axle is special here?
 

Similar threads

Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
26
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
Replies
335
Views
17K