Conservation of Angular Momentum - Two ants on a massless rod

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This problem involves the conservation of angular momentum and the dynamics of a rotating system with two ants on a massless rod. The context is set within a physics textbook problem regarding angular momentum and torque.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of angular momentum to derive a relationship between the movements of the two ants. Some participants question the completeness of the original poster's solution and suggest clarifying the problem statement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and questioning the implications of one ant moving toward the center. There is acknowledgment of the need for further clarification regarding the second ant's movement.

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There is mention of a missing screenshot that is supposed to contain the problem statement, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The problem involves specific distances and masses that are critical to the analysis.

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Homework Statement



This is a problem about angular momentum and torque from the physics textbook Don't Panic Volume I. Attached is a screenshot of the problem.

Homework Equations



L = mr2ω

The Attempt at a Solution



The angular momentum must be conserved to keep ω constant.

Initial L = (m1 + m2)(B/4)2ω
Final L= ω(m1(B/4 - [itex]\alpha[/itex]t2)2 + m2x)

Therefore, x= [(m1 + m2)(B/4)2 - m1(B/4 - [itex]\alpha[/itex]t2)2]/m2

The second ant must move toward the center so that its distance from it is x.

What do you guys think? This is the last problem so I thought it would not be this simple. Is there something missing or should I do something more?

Thanks in advance!
 

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Can you at least state the problem. (Where's the screenshot?)
 
That's odd. I'm sure it was in the attachment... Oh well.

A massless rod of length B is pivoted at its center so that it can rotate in the horizontal plane. Two ants are riding this rod in the locations shown (both B/4 away from the center) and the rod is rotating with angular velocity ω in the counterclockwise direction, viewed from above. If ant 1, mass m1, starts (at t = 0) moving toward the center so that his distance from it is B/4 - [itex]\alpha[/itex]t2, what must the second ant, mass m2, do to keep the rod's angular velocity constant?
 
HSSN19 said:
Initial L = (m1 + m2)(B/4)2ω
Final L= ω(m1(B/4 - [itex]\alpha[/itex]t2)2 + m2x)
Looks good except that x should be x2.

Looks like you have the right idea. (And that there's not much to it.) Perhaps the expression can be simplified a bit. (If ant 1 moves toward the center, which direction must ant 2 move?)
 
Oh right, forgot the square. Thank you very much!
 

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