Conservation of angular momentum under central forces

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum in the context of central forces. Participants are exploring the relationship between linear and angular momentum, particularly in scenarios involving radial and tangential components of motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to derive expressions for linear and angular momentum, questioning the conditions under which these quantities are conserved. There is discussion about the use of the chain rule and the implications of time dependence in angular momentum.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some are exploring the implications of central forces on angular momentum, while others are clarifying the distinction between radial and total linear momentum.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of momentum components and their relationships. Participants are also addressing potential mistakes in their calculations and assumptions about the nature of the forces involved.

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Homework Statement
If a particle moves outward in a plane along a curved trajectory described by ##r=a\theta##, where ##\theta=\omega t##, where ##a## and ##\omega## are constants, then its

a) kinetic energy is conserved
b) angular momentum is conserved
c) total momentum is conserved
d) radial momentum is conserved
Relevant Equations
##p=m\dot r##
##L=mr^2\dot \theta##
I know that the force must be a central force and that under central forces, angular momentum is conserved. But I am unable to mathematically show if the angular and linear momentum are constants.

Radial Momentum
##p=m\dot r = ma\dot \theta=ma\omega##

Angular Momentum
##L=mr^2\dot\theta = ma^2\omega^3 t^2##

I am not sure if I am supposed to use the chain rule here, but I am getting a conserved linear momentum but a time-dependent angular momentum.
 
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Saptarshi Sarkar said:
##p=m\dot r = ma\dot \theta=ma\omega##

Angular Momentum
##L=mr^2\dot\theta = ma^2\omega^3 t^2##

I am not sure if I am supposed to use the chain rule here, but I am getting a conserved linear momentum but a time-dependent angular momentum.
Isn't that the answer for ##L##?

For the other part, are you looking for radial momentum or total linear momentum?
 
PeroK said:
Isn't that the answer for ##L##?

For the other part, are you looking for radial momentum or total linear momentum?

I was thinking that the angular momentum must be independent of time as it looks like a trajectory under a central force. Is it not true?

For the other part, I did a mistake. Thanks for pointing it out. I need to consider the tangential velocity as well.

Total linear momentum = ##p_{\text{tot}}=m(\dot r+r\dot\theta )=m(a\omega + a\omega^2 t)##

So, d should be the answer?
 
Saptarshi Sarkar said:
I was thinking that the angular momentum must be independent of time as it looks like a trajectory under a central force. Is it not true?

For the other part, I did a mistake. Thanks for pointing it out. I need to consider the tangential velocity as well.

Total linear momentum = ##p_{\text{tot}}=m(\dot r+r\dot\theta )=m(a\omega + a\omega^2 t)##

So, d should be the answer?
Yes. It's not a central force. You can calculate the acceleration if you want to. It won't be in the radial direction.
 
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Saptarshi Sarkar said:
Total linear momentum = ##p_{\text{tot}}=m(\dot r+r\dot\theta )=m(a\omega + a\omega^2 t)##
The two components are perpendicular to each other. You can't just add them together as scalars.
 
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