Conservation of charge with Dirac delta

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of charge in the context of electromagnetism, specifically involving the use of Dirac delta functions to define charge and current densities. The original poster is attempting to evaluate the divergence of the current density and is encountering a coefficient that seems incorrect based on their application of Dirac delta properties.

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  • The original poster evaluates the divergence of the current density and applies properties of the Dirac delta function, questioning the appearance of a factor of 3. Other participants discuss the implications of summing over different dimensions and the nature of derivatives involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing insights into the mathematical properties at play. Some suggest that the factor of 3 does not arise due to the structure of the terms involved, while others point out potential misconceptions in generalizing from one-dimensional cases to three dimensions.

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The discussion includes considerations of how derivatives are applied in multiple dimensions and the specific properties of the Dirac delta function in the context of charge conservation. There is an emphasis on ensuring clarity in the mathematical treatment of the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement
Demonstrate conservation of charge
Relevant Equations
Dirac's property
Hello, I was reviewing a part related to electromagnetism in which the charge and current densities are defined by the Dirac delta:

##\rho(\underline{x}, t)=\sum_n e_n \delta^3(\underline{x} - \underline{x}_n(t))##
##\underline{J}(\underline{x}, t)=\sum_n e_n \delta^3(\underline{x} - \underline{x}_n(t))\frac{d\underline{x}_n}{dt}##

At this point, when I want to evaluate the current density divergence, I find a ##3## coefficient that shouldn't appear when I apply a Dirac delta property. I show you here:

##\nabla \cdot \underline{J}(\underline{x}, t)=\sum_n e_n \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i}\delta^3(\underline{x} - \underline{x}_n(t))\frac{dx_n^i}{dt}##

I apply the property for which

##\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\delta(x-y(t))\frac{dy}{dt}=-\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\delta(x-y(t))##

In the three-dimensional case, shouldn't I work like that?

##\frac{\partial}{\partial x^i}\delta^3(\underline{x} - \underline{x}_n(t))\frac{dx_n^i}{dt}=##
##\frac{\partial }{\partial x}\delta(x-x_n(t))\delta(y-y_n(t))\delta(z-z_n(t))\frac{dx_n}{dt}+
\delta(x-x_n(t))\frac{\partial }{\partial y}\delta(y-y_n(t))\delta(z-z_n(t))\frac{dy_n}{dt}+
\delta(x-x_n(t))\delta(y-y_n(t))\frac{\partial }{\partial z}\delta(z-z_n(t))\frac{dz_n}{dt}##

Applying the above property on each of the three addends should produce the same result three times, so:

##
-\frac{\partial }{\partial t}\delta(x-x_n(t))\delta(y-y_n(t))\delta(z-z_n(t))-
\delta(x-x_n(t))\frac{\partial }{\partial t}\delta(y-y_n(t))\delta(z-z_n(t))-
\delta(x-x_n(t))\delta(y-y_n(t))\frac{\partial }{\partial t}\delta(z-z_n(t))
##

Which is therefore equal to:

##-3\frac{\partial }{\partial t}\delta(x-x_n(t))\delta(y-y_n(t))\delta(z-z_n(t))=-3\frac{\partial }{\partial t}\delta^3(\underline{x} - \underline{x}_n(t))##

So when putting it into the current density divergence, I would have a ##3## factor:

##\nabla \cdot \underline{J}(\underline{x}, t)=-3\sum_n e_n \frac{\partial}{\partial t}\delta^3(\underline{x} - \underline{x}_n(t))=-3\frac{\partial \rho(\underline{x}, t)}{\partial t}##

Wrong, I would have:

##\nabla \cdot \underline{J}(\underline{x}, t) + 3\frac{\partial \rho(\underline{x}, t)}{\partial t}=0##

I can't find the point where I'm wrong, can you tell me? o_O
 
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Frostman said:
Homework Statement:: Demonstrate conservation of charge
Relevant Equations:: Dirac's property

Which is therefore equal to:

−3∂∂tδ(x−xn(t))δ(y−yn(t))δ(z−zn(t))=−3∂∂tδ3(x―−x―n(t))

So when putting it into the current density divergence, I would have a 3 factor:
-[\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\delta(x-x_n(t))]\delta(y-y_n(t))\delta(z-z_n(t))+similar\ for \ y\ and \ z
=-\frac{\partial}{\partial t}[\delta(x-x_n(t))\delta(y-y_n(t))\delta(z-z_n(t))]
 
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You don't get a factor of 3. Since ##J = \sum_n \text{ something} \dfrac{d \vec{x}_n}{dt}##, then

##\nabla \cdot J = \sum_n \dfrac{\partial \text{ something}}{\partial x} \dfrac{d x_n}{dt}##
## + \sum_n \dfrac{\partial \text{ something}}{\partial y} \dfrac{d y_n}{dt}##
## + \sum_n \dfrac{\partial \text{ something}}{\partial z} \dfrac{d z_n}{dt}##

Those are three different terms, not 3 copies of the same term. There is no factor of 3.
 
So that factor ##3## really isn't there, because there's ##\sum_n## in front of everything, right?
 
Well, yes, there's a sum over ##n##, but that's not really the point.

You're computing ##\nabla \cdot J ## which involves derivatives of ##J## with respect to ##x_n^i##. There is no derivative with respect to ##t##.
 
I think your mistake was in generalizing from the one-dimensional case.

It is true that
##\frac{d}{dt} f(x-y(t)) = - \frac{d}{dx} f(x-y(t)) \frac{dy}{dt}##

But in 3 dimensions, you have:

##\frac{d}{dt} f(\vec{x}-\vec{y}(t)) ##
##\ \ \ = - \frac{d}{dx^1} f(\vec{x}-\vec{y}(t)) \frac{dy^1}{dt}##
##\ \ \ - \frac{d}{dx^2} f(\vec{x}-\vec{y}(t)) \frac{dy^2}{dt}##
## \ \ \ - \frac{d}{dx^3} f(\vec{x}-\vec{y}(t)) \frac{dy^3}{dt}##

That is not three copies of the same thing.
 
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