Conservation of energy as a function of Time

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The discussion centers around a problem involving a ball in free fall, focusing on the application of conservation of energy principles and kinematics. Participants are tasked with expressing the ball's position as a function of time using the conservation of energy equation and calculus, without specific values for the variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to connect the conservation of energy equation, v = sqrt(2gh), to kinematic equations, expressing uncertainty about how to integrate this relationship to find position as a function of time. They question whether their interpretation of the problem is correct.
  • Some participants suggest rewriting the equation in calculus terms and integrating, while others propose using different variables to express the position function.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different mathematical approaches to relate velocity and position. Some guidance has been offered regarding integration and variable substitution, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

The problem lacks specific numerical values and imposes a need for general reasoning about kinematics and energy conservation, which may lead to varying interpretations of the question.

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A ball of unspecified mass is in a free fall - and we are supposed to rearrange equations to teach us the basics of kinematics. It's a general question with no values given for the variables

Use your conservation of energy equation: v = sqrt(2gh) and calculus to write an expression for the ball's position as a function of time.

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It's the last part that is getting me. I'm thinking they want me to use an integral to find the position-time graph or something. Alternatively, I can't figure out how to relate a kinematic equation: y=(1/2)gt^2 (in this case) to the conservation of energy equation we derived.

(We derived this conservation of energy equation from putting the kinetic energy in terms of its velocity - then relating this energy transfer to the force of gravity working on this free falling ball. The result was the above equation - which is supposed to be an equation of velocity in terms of the forces acting on the ball. Did I do that right?


3. Attempt at Solution

I've been bothered by this for hours. I tried writing the integral of the v = sqrt(2gh) function, but I just get a messy integral and I'm not sure that's the right idea anyway. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the question?

Thanks for any help you can give!
 
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Okay let's write v = sqrt(2gh), in calculus terms

[tex]\frac{dy}{dt} = \sqrt{2gy(t)[/tex]

Or

[tex]\frac{dy}{\sqrt{2gy(t)}} = dt[/tex]

Or if you integrate both sides

[tex]\int{\frac{dy}{\sqrt{2gy(t)}}} = \int{dt} = t + C[/tex]This is an easy enough integral, then solve for y(t) and use your initial conditions to find C.
 
Try using

[tex]v = \frac{dy}{dt}[/tex]

and

[tex]y(t)=h_o - h(t)[/tex]

y positive downwards.
 
Excellent! Thank you - that makes great sense!
 

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