Conservation of Energy block on a track

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The problem involves a block of mass M sliding without friction on a curved track, with specific questions regarding its speed at a point B and the normal force acting on it at that point. The context is rooted in the principles of conservation of energy and circular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy to find the block's speed at point B, with one participant questioning the validity of their calculations. Others explore the concept of centripetal force and its relationship with normal force and gravitational force at point B.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations of the forces acting on the block being explored. Some participants provide insights into the nature of centripetal force and its direction, while others question the role of gravitational force in this context. No explicit consensus has been reached regarding the calculations or the forces involved.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of the block's motion on a curved track, including the effects of gravity and the conditions under which the normal force acts. There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about the forces at play, particularly at point B.

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Homework Statement


In the figure, a block of mass M slides without friction around the curved track. (a) If the block starts from rest at A, what is its speed at B? (b) What is the force of the track (the normal force) on the block at B?
See Figure 1

Homework Equations


Uf + Kf = Ui + Ki

The Attempt at a Solution


for a, I was just wondering if this seemed right:
mghf + 1/2mvf2 = mghi + 1/2mvi2
mg(R) + 1/2mvf2 = mg(4R)
1/2mvf2 = mg(4 R) - mg(R)
vf2 = 2g(4R) - 2g(R)
vf = sqr. root [ 2g(3R) ]

I'm not sure about b. I think the normal force might be zero, but then I think that would mean the block would fall off the track.

Fnet,x : N = ma
a = 0 in the x direction, so
N = 0
 

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The block moves along a circle with speed v=sqrt(6gR) at the moment. How much is the centripetal force? What is its direction? What exerts this force on the block?

ehild
 
The magnitude of the net centripetal force is
F = m * (v2/R)

the centripetal force always points towards the center of the circle, as the normal force does in this case. However, since we are discussing the net centripetal force, I can't simply say the net centripetal force is equal to the normal force, can I?

I think it would be like:
Fn + Fg = net centripetal force
Fn = net centripetal force - Fg
Fn = 6mg - mg
Fn = 5mg

or should I not include Fg?
 
The centripetal force is mv2/R, is not it? And it is horizontal at B.
The force mg points vertically downward, it has no horizontal component. The force is a vector quantity. The components add up, not the magnitudes. So gravity does not contribute to the centripetal force at B. It does contribute at other points of the track, where the centripetal force has nonzero vertical component. At points B it is only the track that provides the centripetal force. Gravity accelerates the block along the track.

ehild
 

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