Conservation of energy - spring

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the conservation of energy in the context of a mass dropped onto a spring. The original poster is trying to determine how much the spring compresses when a 5 kg weight is dropped from a height of 0.4 m onto a spring with a spring constant of 1700 N/m.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to equate the potential energy of the mass at the drop height with the elastic potential energy of the spring at maximum compression, leading to a quadratic equation. Some participants question the omission of the gravitational acceleration in the energy equation and suggest that it should be included in the potential energy term.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the correct formulation of the energy balance. There is a suggestion to include gravitational acceleration in the calculations, indicating a productive direction in clarifying the setup of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are examining the assumptions made in the energy equation and discussing the implications of the quadratic solutions obtained. There is a focus on ensuring all relevant factors are included in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


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Hello, I'm having a problem with this. So we drop the weight on this spring, and the question is: how much does the spring compress? The mass is 5kg, the height 0,4m, and the spring elasticity factor k=1700N/m.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to equalize the potential energies of when we drop the weight, and when it's all the way down. It looks like this: m(h+ΔL)=(1/2)*k*(ΔL)^2. I get a quadratic equation, and solve it. I get two answers one with +, and one -. I've tried to enter the positive one, and it's not correct. Should I enter the negative one, or is my whole attempt faulty?
 
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lukatwo said:

Homework Statement


hh86igL.png

Hello, I'm having a problem with this. So we drop the weight on this spring, and the question is: how much does the spring compress? The mass is 5kg, the height 0,4m, and the spring elasticity factor k=1700N/m.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to equalize the potential energies of when we drop the weight, and when it's all the way down. It looks like this: m(h+ΔL)=(1/2)*k*(ΔL)^2. I get a quadratic equation, and solve it. I get two answers one with +, and one -. I've tried to enter the positive one, and it's not correct. Should I enter the negative one, or is my whole attempt faulty?
Looks like you left out g in your gravitational PE term, otherwise, looks good. Think positive.
 
Should it be g*m*(h+∆L)=(1/2)*k*(∆L)^2, because if it's on both sides it's the same
 
lukatwo said:
Should it be g*m*(h+∆L)=(1/2)*k*(∆L)^2, because if it's on both sides it's the same
Sure!
 

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