Conservation of Momentum and Energy of metal pucks

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an experiment involving the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy during collisions of metal and magnetic pucks. Participants analyze the results of the experiment, which showed differing conservation rates between the two types of collisions, and seek explanations for these observations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports that 75% of kinetic energy and 93% of momentum were conserved in the collision of metal pucks, while only 68% of kinetic energy and 71% of momentum were conserved in the collision of magnetic pucks.
  • Another participant suggests that electromagnetic fields could carry away energy and momentum in the case of magnetic pucks, but questions whether this could account for the observed differences.
  • A participant inquires about the material of the air table surface, noting that if it were metal, eddy currents could be induced, potentially affecting energy and momentum conservation.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding whether the magnetic pucks were attractive or repulsive, suggesting that this could influence the results and proposing a repeat of the experiment with different configurations.
  • One participant raises the consideration of potential energy in the context of magnetic pucks, indicating that this factor might be relevant to the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons behind the conservation results, with no consensus reached on the explanations for the observed differences between the metal and magnetic pucks.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the nature of the collisions, the materials involved, or the specific conditions of the experiment that may influence the results.

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I recently did an experiment in class that involved two parts,
1) the collision of 2 metal pucks
2) the collision of 2 magnetic pucks

following the analysis, i discovered that in part 1, 75% of the original kinetic energy, and 93% of the original momentum was conserved after the collision, but i part 2, only 68% of the original kinetic energy, and 71% of original momentum was conserved

i tried to think of an explanation as to why the magnetic pucks conserved less momentum and kinetic energy, but i coudln't come up with anything. I think that a magnetic collision should actually conserve MORE momentum and kinetic energy, because no energy is lost to heat and sound during the 'collision' because the two objects don't actually ever touch..

can anyone explain the results of my experiment?
 
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Interesting result, I guess in the second case you can still get electromagnetic field to carry away energy and momentum but I doubt that can account for that much. A more likely contributor could be Eddy currents in conductors, were the puck conductive or moving over a conductive surface?
 
Oh sorry, i forgot to mention that the experiment was conducted on an air table
 
Was air table surface metal or plastic? Magnets moving over metals tend to induce electric currents and experience additional "drag", which can carry away both energy and momentum.

Edit: I should learn to read. Though, the question is still unanswered.
 
Were the magnetic pucks attractive or repulsive towards each other?

It would add useful information to your experiment if you repeated it with pucks that did the opposite.

Did you observe the action of the magnetic pucks as they approached?
Was there any rotation created?
 
If they're both magnetic, isn't there an amount of potential energy to consider?
 

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