Conserved quantities in the Feynman diagrams.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conserved quantities in Feynman diagrams, focusing on what is conserved at individual nodes and across the entire diagram. It touches on theoretical aspects of particle physics as presented in Griffiths' book.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that at each node of a Feynman diagram, quantities such as 3-momentum and spin are conserved in position representation, while 4-momentum and spin are conserved in momentum representation.
  • Others argue that the entire diagram conserves 4-momentum and spin, representing a complete physical reality.
  • One participant mentions that unitarity is conserved over the sum of all Feynman diagrams and that typically all currents and charges are conserved, although anomalies can occur that violate certain symmetries.
  • Another participant suggests that every property of a particle, including momentum, charge, spin, isospin, hypercharge, strangeness, baryon number, lepton number, and color, is conserved at the node level.
  • A later reply challenges the conclusion that all properties are conserved across the entire diagram, noting that divergent terms may arise that violate global symmetries after renormalization, specifically referencing the triangle anomaly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent of conservation across the entire diagram, with some asserting that all properties are conserved while others highlight potential violations due to anomalies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these anomalies.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of conserved quantities and the unresolved nature of how anomalies affect global symmetries in the context of renormalization.

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I'm currently reading Griffiths book (I'm at chapter 4) on Particle physics, and I had a question about Feynman diagrams.

In every "node" of a Feynman diagram, what quantities are conserved?

Further, what quantities are conserved over the entire diagram?
 
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hi naggy! :wink:
naggy said:
In every "node" of a Feynman diagram, what quantities are conserved?

in position representation, 3-momentum (and spin etc)

in momentum representation, 4-momentum (and spin etc)
Further, what quantities are conserved over the entire diagram?

as a whole, the diagram represents reality, so 4-momentum (and spin etc) :smile:
 
Of course 4-momentum and spin.

Unitarity is conserved over the sum of all Feynman diagrams.

Usually all other currents (and charges) are conserved; it can happen that a current becomes anomalous which means that during quantization it's quantized version of the continuity equation (Ward identities) is violated. For gauge symmetries this is forbidden, but for certazin global symmetries it may be allowed. In order to save el.-mag. U(1) symmetry one has to allow for a violation of the axial current Ward identity in the famous triangle anomaly.
 
Seems to me from the book that every property of the particle is conserved on the node. Or am I drawing the wrong conclusion?

momentum, charge, Spin, Isospin, Hypercharge, strangeness, baryon number, lepton number, color ...
 
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You cannot draw this conclusion for the whole diagram as it may contain divergent terms which - after renormalization - violate certain global symmetries. This is shown explicitly for the triangle anomaly.
 

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