Considerations for acceleration allowance in calculating engine power?

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The discussion revolves around whether to consider acceleration allowance when calculating engine power for a prototype car, specifically when the power has been calculated for maximum speed (50 km/h). Participants explore the implications of not accounting for acceleration in the context of power losses due to road gradients, air drag, and rolling resistance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of considering acceleration allowance when calculations are based on maximum speed, expressing confusion about the relevance of acceleration in this context.
  • Another participant suggests that if the engine power is sized solely for maximum speed, there would be no power left for acceleration, leading to very slow acceleration between speeds just below the maximum.
  • A proposed method for estimating vehicle acceleration is shared, involving calculations based on power at the wheels, power losses, vehicle mass, and average speed during acceleration.
  • It is noted that the maximum traction force is dependent on the friction coefficient of the tires, with specific values provided for different types of tires.

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Participants express differing views on the importance of considering acceleration allowance in engine power calculations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the relationship between engine power, speed, and acceleration are not fully articulated, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these calculations on overall vehicle performance.

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hello!
i have calculated an engine power of a prototype car by calculating the power losses against road gradients, air drag and rolling resistance. i have calculated these losses for max. car speed,lets say 50 kmph. what i need to know is do i need to consider acceleration allowance even when i have calculated the power of an engine for max. speed??if yes, then why calculating acceleration allowance for an engine when car cannot accelerate beyond 50 kmph as all my calculations are based on maximum speed.
pleasez do reply, I am confused...
 
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It would also help if you could state your question clearly and in 1 line preferably.
 
If you ever plan to stop then yes you should consider it (in the form of negative acceleration).
 
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Carvinos said:
what i need to know is do i need to consider acceleration allowance even when i have calculated the power of an engine for max. speed??if yes, then why calculating acceleration allowance for an engine when car cannot accelerate beyond 50 kmph as all my calculations are based on maximum speed.
pleasez do reply, I am confused...

Think of it this way, if you size your engine power according to your max speed of 50 km/h, then it would mean you have no power left for acceleration at that speed (terminal velocity). So it would also mean that from, say, 45 to 50 km/h you will experience very little acceleration and it will take you forever to break that 5 km/h gap.

To get an approximation of the acceleration of your vehicle you can use the simple Pw - Pl = Fvavg = (ma) (vf + vo) / 2, where Pw is the power at your wheel, Pl is the power losses @ vavg, m is vehicle mass, vavg is the average speed of the vehicle during acceleration, vf and vo are final and initial speeds and a is the average acceleration from vo to vf.

Of course, the time taken to go from vo to vf will be approximately t = (vf - vo) / a. This will give an optimistic value, but it will give you a good idea.

Furthermore, no matter what is the engine power, the maximum traction force you can get is dependent of the friction coefficient of the tire. So Fmax = µmtg, where mt is the mass of the vehicle on the powered wheels, g = 9,81 m/s² and µ is the tire coeff of friction (tourism tire = 0.75-1.0, racing tire = 1.25-1.5, bicycle tire = 0.6-0.75 (that last one is a guess))
 

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