Constant Breaking force for roller coaster

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a roller coaster that descends from a height of 95 meters and eventually comes to a stop at ground level. The problem requires calculating the constant braking force and the work done by the brakes, with the scenario set in a frictionless environment.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants express confusion regarding the problem's wording and seek clarification on how to approach it. Some mention using conservation of energy and kinematic equations to determine the roller coaster's speed and the necessary braking force. Questions arise about the assumptions regarding height in energy calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to solve the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of conservation of energy to find the roller coaster's speed at the bottom of the hill. However, there is no explicit consensus on the approach or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of specific constraints, such as the roller coaster's mass, the height from which it descends, and the time duration of the ride. There are also mentions of potential misunderstandings regarding the problem's setup and terminology.

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I really don't understand this:

Consider a frictionless, 12000-kg roller coaster that starts at rest at the top of a hill, point A, 95 m high. It goes all the way the 75 degree steep hill and coasts horizontally (for an unspecified distance) before reaching point B (0 m high). The entire ride lasts 10 seconds and breaks engage with a constant force during last 4 seconds. Calculate:

a) the constant breaking force that must be applied to bring the roller coaster to a stop at point B.

b) the work being done by breaks to bring the roller coaster to a stop at point B.


I don't understand the question at all. The wording is weird. How would I start this? I have no clue what so ever.
 
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rexorsist said:
I really don't understand this:

Consider a frictionless, 12000-kg roller coaster that starts at rest at the top of a hill, point A, 95 m high. It goes all the way (down?) the 75 degree steep hill and coasts horizontally (for an unspecified distance) before reaching point B (0 m high). The entire ride lasts 10 seconds and breaks engage with a constant force during last 4 seconds. Calculate:

a) the constant breaking force that must be applied to bring the roller coaster to a stop at point B.

b) the work being done by breaks to bring the roller coaster to a stop at point B.


I don't understand the question at all. The wording is weird. How would I start this? I have no clue what so ever.
Except for the misspelling of "brakes" and "braking", the description is quite clear.

Do you know about:

Conservation of Energy?

Work?

Newton's 2nd law?

Kinematic equations?

etc.
 
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SammyS said:
Except for the misspelling of "brakes" and "braking", the description is quite clear.

Do you know about:

Conservation of Energy?

Work?

Newton's 2nd law?

Kinematic equations?

etc.

Yup, I know those equations.

I know that first we're going to figure out the distance down the slope. I used the sin law to figure out the length. Then I'm going to use the first kinematic equations (V2=V1+AxT , where V2 equals final velocity, V1 equals initial velocity, A equals acceleration, T equals time). Once I solve for acceleration, I would then use the Force = Mass x Acceleration formula to solve for the force required for the break.

Would I be able to find the correct answer using this method?

Thank you so much for your help!
 
rexorsist said:
Yup, I know those equations.

I know that first we're going to figure out the distance down the slope. I used the sin law to figure out the length. Then I'm going to use the first kinematic equations (V2=V1+AxT , where V2 equals final velocity, V1 equals initial velocity, A equals acceleration, T equals time). Once I solve for acceleration, I would then use the Force = Mass x Acceleration formula to solve for the force required for the break.

Would I be able to find the correct answer using this method?

Thank you so much for your help!
You should be able to use Conservation of Energy to find the speed of the roller coaster at the bottom of the hill, before braking.
 
SammyS said:
You should be able to use Conservation of Energy to find the speed of the roller coaster at the bottom of the hill, before braking.

How would I use the Conservation of Energy formula?

If the equation is ET=1/2(mass)(Velocity squared) + (mass)(gravity)(height)

Would I assume height to be zero? Or would it be 95m?

EDIT: I know I would isolate Velocity Squared.
 
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Please someone! I need urgent help. I need to know how to do this before tomorrow. I am begging.
 
rexorsist said:
How would I use the Conservation of Energy formula?

If the equation is ET=1/2(mass)(Velocity squared) + (mass)(gravity)(height)

Would I assume height to be zero? Or would it be 95m?
You look at the total energy at the top and at the bottom of the slope.
 
rexorsist said:
I really don't understand this:

Consider a frictionless, 12000-kg roller coaster that starts at rest at the top of a hill, point A, 95 m high. It goes all the way the 75 degree steep hill and coasts horizontally (for an unspecified distance) before reaching point B (0 m high). The entire ride lasts 10 seconds and breaks engage with a constant force during last 4 seconds. Calculate:

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rexorsist said:
How would I use the Conservation of Energy formula?

If the equation is ET=1/2(mass)(Velocity squared) + (mass)(gravity)(height)

Would I assume height to be zero? Or would it be 95m?

EDIT: I know I would isolate Velocity Squared.
There is a starting height and an ending height.

...
 

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