Constant Pressure Calorimetry with Piston

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a conceptual problem related to constant pressure calorimetry involving the combustion of octane in a calorimeter with a sliding piston. Participants are exploring the implications of temperature changes, volume changes, and work done during the reaction, as presented in a chemistry textbook exercise.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with the textbook's wording and seeks clarification on whether their understanding of the concepts is correct.
  • It is noted that burning octane is an exothermic reaction, leading to a rise in temperature of the calorimeter.
  • Another participant questions the reasoning behind the assertion that the volume of the system will decrease despite the increase in temperature, suggesting that the combustion should perform work on the piston.
  • A participant provides the combustion reaction equation but notes ambiguity in the problem regarding the final temperature and its effect on the state of water.
  • There is a mention of a potential typo in the reaction equation, indicating a lack of clarity in the problem setup.
  • Concerns are raised about the contradiction between the answers regarding work being positive and the implications for volume change.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the question is vague and that the answers provided seem contradictory. However, there is no consensus on the implications of the temperature and volume changes or the nature of the work done.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the problem's assumptions, such as the final temperature of the system and the ambiguity regarding what is experiencing the work (the piston or the calorimeter). There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the ideal gas law and the specifics of the reaction.

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This is a conceptual question...hope you guys can explain the answers that the book gives! Its frustrating me to no end. This is actually a problem in the Enthalpy chapter, calorimetry section of section exercises of the Olmsted and Williams chemistry textbook, 3rd ed.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Is this just a poorly worded question, or do I have the incorrect concept?

Q: Imagine a calorimeter with a sliding piston that makes it able to perform constant pressure calorimetry experiments on a mixture of gasses and liquids

Consider burning 1.250 octane in this calorimeter, which is initially at 25 degrees celsius

Q1: Will the calorimeter temperature rise or fall?
A: Rise

[note: I understand this, since burning octane is an exothermic reaction, leading to the loss of heat from the piston to the calorimeter]

Q2: Use the ideal gas equation to determine whether the volume of the system will increase or decrease. (The temperature after burning rises about 6 degrees celsius)
A: Decrease: The volume will decrease. Although the temp rises slightly, the moles of gas decrease

[note: I don't understand this! Since it is exothermic, doesn't the reaction cause work to be performed on the piston, increasing the volume of the piston?]

Q3: Is the work, negative, positive, or zero?
A: Positive

[note: i agree with this answer. however, it seems to contradict the last answer. also, the question is not specific as to what is experiencing the work, the piston or calorimeter]
 
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Reaction equation will help, although I feel like second part is a little bit ambiguous.

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Hi Borek-

No equation is provided with the problem, although I think the reaction is combustion and the liquid gas mixture they are referring to is the mixture of octane, water, and co2

2C8H18 +25O2-----16CO2+H20

Thanks for responding! And I agree that the question is vague, the answers given seem to be contradictory :(
 
18H2O, but I suppose it is a just a typo.

Trick is - we don't know what is the final temperature. If it is below 100 deg C, water is liquid - you have started with 25 volumes of gas, you are left with 16 volumes. Does it mean increase or decrease of volume?

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