Constraints and Static Determinacy

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of structural constraints and static determinacy in engineering. Participants explore the relationships between complete and partial constraints and their implications for a structure's stability and determinacy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a structure can be completely constrained and statically indeterminate, or partially constrained and statically determinate.
  • One participant asserts that a completely constrained structure is static (stable), while partially constrained and improperly constrained structures are nonstatic (unstable).
  • Another participant provides an example of a bar fixed at both ends, which is fully constrained but statically indeterminate due to the inability to solve reaction forces with just the equations of statics.
  • It is noted that a cantilever beam is fully constrained and statically determinate, contrasting with the example of a beam on rollers that is statically determinate but underconstrained.
  • Participants express uncertainty regarding the definition and implications of an "improperly constrained" structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and relationships between different types of constraints and static determinacy, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions and examples provided, with some assumptions about the configurations of constraints and their effects on stability remaining unresolved.

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Hello,

Is it possible for a structure to be completely constrained and statically indeterminate, or partially constrained and statically determinate? Or does one come with the other automatically?

I am having difficulties determining if a structure is partially constrained or completely constrained, or improperly constrained.
 
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Woopydalan said:
Is it possible for a structure to be completely constrained and statically indeterminate?
Yes.

Woopydalan said:
Is it possible for a structure to be partially constrained and statically determinate?
No.

Woopydalan said:
Or does one come with the other automatically?
No.

Woopydalan said:
I am having difficulties determining if a structure is completely constrained, partially constrained, or improperly constrained.
A completely constrained structure is static (stable).

Partially constrained and improperly constrained structures are quite similar. They are both nonstatic (unstable). The only subtle difference between the two is, a partially constrained structure has an insufficient number of constraints, whereas an improperly constrained structure has a sufficient number of constraints, but the constraints are configured wrong, such that the structure is still nonstatic (unstable, moves).
 
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Yes. Consider a bar fixed rigidly at both ends to opposing walls and a force applied in the middle of the bar. The bar is fully constrained, but the reaction forces can't be solved with just the equations of statics, making it statically indeterminate.

You could say that the beam in the above example is "overconstrained", and by that I mean that the bar could still be fully constrained without fixing both ends. A cantilever beam is fully constrained in translation and rotation as well, and that problem is statically determinate. I know that's not the exact meaning of "overconstrained", but I'm just trying to illustrate that point.

You also have cases where things are statically determinate but not fully constrained. Consider a beam on 2 rollers with a vertical force being applied downward. The system is statically determinate, meaning you can solve for the reaction forces at the rollers with just the equations of statics, but the system is underconstrained because any lateral force on the beam will cause it to move.
 

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