Constructing a Function to Prove Countability of a Set of Positive Real Numbers

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To prove that the set A of positive real numbers is countable under the condition that the sum of any finite subset is less than a bound b, a function from natural numbers to A can be constructed. By defining A_n as the set of elements in A greater than 1/n, it is shown that A can be expressed as the union of these sets A_n. Each A_n must be finite; if it were infinite, a finite subset could be formed that would exceed the bound b, leading to a contradiction. Therefore, since A is the union of countably many finite sets, it follows that A is countable. The proof effectively demonstrates the countability of A through contradiction and the properties of finite sums.
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Homework Statement



Let A be a set of positive real numbers. Assume that there is a bound b such that the sum of any finite subset of A is less than b. Show that A is countable.

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So, my first question is what would be a better approach? Trying to find a function from the natural numbers to A or supposing that A is not countable and deriving a contradiction.

I'm a little stumped on how to start the construction of such a function.
 
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For all natural numbers n, consider the set of all elements of A that are greater than 1/n, call it A_n. That's a hint. Think about it.
 
Well, eventually all the A_n's will capture every element of A, its an increasing sequence.

I guess I could argue that each A_n is finite since if it weren't it proabably would be possible to find some finite subset of A_n who'se sum is greater then b.

Since A = the union of A_n's then the cardinlaity of A is countable since its the union of countably many countable sets.

Only problem I have with this argument is I'm not sure how to show with rigor that A_n must be countable or rather (finite).
 
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Thanks, I think I got my proof.

If A_n is infinite then we can find a finite subset of A_n with cardinality m*n where m > b. m,n are natural numbers.

Thus the sum of the subset must be bounded by b. But each element is greater then 1/n thus the sum is greater then (1/n)m*n = m > b which is a contradiction. Thus A_n must be finite.
 
Nice use of the hint.
 
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