MHB Constructing a matrix version of the transformation algorithm?

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The discussion focuses on constructing a matrix representation of the transformation algorithm $(x, y) \to (\frac{x}{k} + p, ay + d)$. It emphasizes that such transformations are typically not expressed in standard matrix form, especially when dealing with single-variable transformations. The participants suggest using 1x1 matrices or a more advanced form involving 2x1 matrices to represent the transformation. They also highlight that the transformation maps the graph of a function $f(x)$ to another function $g(x)$, but cannot be represented as a simple 2x2 matrix transformation. The conversation concludes with guidance on how to derive the necessary matrix coefficients to achieve the desired transformation.
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Algorithms like the transformation algorithm: $(x, y)$ --> $(\frac{x}{k} + p, ay + d)$ are not generally used in mathematics. Instead, we use matrices.

Multiplying matrixes: you multiply a row of the first matrix by a column of the second. Use the following example:

$ \begin{bmatrix}x & y \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & d \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}ax + cy & bx + dy \end{bmatrix} $

Use this information to construct a matrix version of the transformation algorithm for the transformation $y=af[k(x−p)]+d$
 
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eleventhxhour said:
Algorithms like the transformation algorithm: $(x, y)$ --> $(\frac{x}{k} + p, ay + d)$ are not generally used in mathematics. Instead, we use matrices.

Multiplying matrixes: you multiply a row of the first matrix by a column of the second. Use the following example:

$ \begin{bmatrix}x & y \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & d \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}ax + cy & bx + dy \end{bmatrix} $

Use this information to construct a matrix version of the transformation algorithm for the transformation $y=af[k(x−p)]+d$

Welcome to MHB, eleventhxhour!

Usually matrices are used if you have at least 2 variables (typically x and y) that are transformed in 2 new variables.

That is not the case for your transformation, so it makes little sense to write it in matrix notation.

Anyway, if you really want to, it could be written with 1x1 matrices as:
$$\begin{bmatrix} y \end{bmatrix}
= \begin{bmatrix} x−p \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} afk \end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix} d \end{bmatrix}$$
or
$$\begin{bmatrix} y \end{bmatrix}
= \begin{bmatrix} x \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} afk \end{bmatrix} + \begin{bmatrix} d -afkp \end{bmatrix}
$$

Or a more advanced form:
$$\begin{bmatrix} y \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} x & 1 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} afk \\ d - afkp \end{bmatrix}$$
 
eleventhxhour said:
Use this information to construct a matrix version of the transformation algorithm for the transformation $y=af[k(x−p)]+d$
I suspect that $f$ is a function here. Let $g(x)=af\big(k(x-p)\big)+d$. Then the required transformation probably converts the graph of $f(x)$ into the graph of $g(x)$. OP, please confirm if this is the correct interpretation.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
I suspect that $f$ is a function here. Let $g(x)=af\big(k(x-p)\big)+d$. Then the required transformation probably converts the graph of $f(x)$ into the graph of $g(x)$. OP, please confirm if this is the correct interpretation.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's the correct interpretation.
 
eleventhxhour said:
Yes, I'm pretty sure that's the correct interpretation.

What is the definition of $f$ then?
Is it perhaps related to your transformation algorithm: $(x, y) \to(\frac{x}{k} + p, ay + d)$?
It seems to fit.
 
I like Serena said:
What is the definition of $f$ then?
Is it perhaps related to your transformation algorithm: $(x, y) \to(\frac{x}{k} + p, ay + d)$?
It seems to fit.
Yes, this transformation maps the graph of $f(x)$ into that of $g(x)$. It cannot be represented in the form
\[
(x',y')=(x,y)A\qquad(*)
\]
for a 2x2 matrix A. Indeed, (*) maps $(0,0)$ to $(0,0)$, while the transformation in the quote maps $(0,0)$ to $(p,d)$. But note that
\[
(x,y,1)
\begin{pmatrix}
a_{11}&a_{12}&0\\
a_{21}&a_{22}&0\\
a_{1}&a_{b2}&1
\end{pmatrix}
=(a_{11}x+a_{21}y+b_1, a_{12}x+a_{22}y+b_2,1)
\]
You need to come up with a matrix that produces
\[
((1/k)x +0y + p, 0x+ay + d,1)
\]
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
Yes, this transformation maps the graph of $f(x)$ into that of $g(x)$. It cannot be represented in the form
\[
(x',y')=(x,y)A\qquad(*)
\]
for a 2x2 matrix A. Indeed, (*) maps $(0,0)$ to $(0,0)$, while the transformation in the quote maps $(0,0)$ to $(p,d)$. But note that
\[
(x,y,1)
\begin{pmatrix}
a_{11}&a_{12}&0\\
a_{21}&a_{22}&0\\
a_{1}&a_{b2}&1
\end{pmatrix}
=a_{11}x+a_{21}y+b_1, a_{12}x+a_{22}y+b_2,1)
\]
You need to come up with a matrix that produces
\[
((1/k)x +0y + p, 0x+ay + d,1)
\]

Hmm..okay, I think I understand that a bit more. How would you create that matrix?
 
eleventhxhour said:
How would you create that matrix?
You compare the two expressions
\[
(a_{11}x+a_{21}y+b_1, a_{12}x+a_{22}y+b_2,1)
\]
and
\[
((1/k)x +0y + p, 0x+ay + d,1)
\]
and come up with appropriate $a_{ij}$ and $b_i$ so that the expressions coincide.
 
Hi,
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