Construction of CVT Metal push belt

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the construction and functioning of Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) metal push belts, specifically addressing the mechanics of how these belts operate, including the interaction between their components and the principles of power transmission. Participants seek detailed technical explanations and clarifications on specific aspects of the belt's design and operation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the construction of CVT metal belts and seeks detailed explanations regarding how elements do not move backwards on the rings, how power is transmitted by compression rather than tension, and how the rings flex.
  • Another participant suggests that the elements are driven by the drive pulley, with friction between the elements and the rings preventing backward movement, and notes that the rings are in tension.
  • A participant explains that unlike rubber belts, metal belts do not have fixed elements, allowing for power transmission through pushing rather than tension, comparing it to pushing washers along a rigid rod.
  • It is mentioned that the rings are made from multiple thin layers of flexible metal, which may stretch slightly to distribute the load.
  • One participant confirms understanding of the two friction interfaces involved: between the element and the pulley, and between the element and the rings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants provide explanations and clarifications, there is no consensus on all aspects of the construction and functioning of the CVT metal push belts, as questions remain and further details are sought.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the mechanics of the belt and the nature of the materials involved, which may not be fully explored or agreed upon by all participants.

Yaksha
I am trying to understand the construction of CVT Metal belts that are made up of steel elements and some rings. I do not understand the full construction details of the belt.
The most detailed information I have got ever is in this PDF on page 5
http://www.ijera.com/papers/Vol5_issue3/Part - 1/S5030199105.pdf

Specifically, I want to know about
  • How do the elements not move backwards on the rings?
  • How does this belt transmit power by compression than tension?
  • How does the ring flex?
A complete explanation on the construction would be very helpful.
 
Engineering news on Phys.org


 
Is this a homework problem ?
 
Nidum said:
Is this a homework problem ?
No we are solving a design problem and we wanted to incorporate the pushbelt in our design. So I want to understand the construction details properly and its working. Could you please go into the construction details?
 
By looking at the figure in the below you will see that the tapered inner faces of the pulleys are radially grooved so as to engage with the edges of the lateral segments on the belt in order for one pulley to "push" the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variomatic
 
JBA said:
By looking at the figure in the below you will see that the tapered inner faces of the pulleys are radially grooved so as to engage with the edges of the lateral segments on the belt in order for one pulley to "push" the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variomatic

This is a CVT chain and not the metal push belt i am talking about. Of course, i do understand that the application is same.

To all those answering this thread, I sincerely request you for a very detailed technical explanation OR answers to the the questions in the first message on the thread, rather than speaking in general terms.

Thank you
 
Yaksha said:
Specifically, I want to know about

[*]How do the elements not move backwards on the rings?
The elements are driven by the drive pulley. Friction between the elements and the ring drives the rings. The rings are in tension. Imagine jamming your fingers in a rubber belt drive, you can bet they would be dragged around the pulley rather than slide backwards along the belt.
[*]How does this belt transmit power by compression than tension?
With a rubber belt one side is under greater tension than the other. On a metal belt the elements aren't fixed together so they cannot be in tension. Instead the driving pulley pushes the elements on the other side. Normally it would be hard to push something flexible (like trying to push a string) but the rings are in tension and act as a guide for the elements. It's more like pushing washers along a rigid rod.
[*]How does the ring flex?
The rings are laminated from 9-12 thin layers of very thin flexible metal. I believe these must stretch very slightly so the load is shared between all the layers.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Yaksha and Nidum
CWatters said:
The elements are driven by the drive pulley. Friction between the elements and the ring drives the rings. The rings are in tension. Imagine jamming your fingers in a rubber belt drive, you can bet they would be dragged around the pulley rather than slide backwards along the belt.

With a rubber belt one side is under greater tension than the other. On a metal belt the elements aren't fixed together so they cannot be in tension. Instead the driving pulley pushes the elements on the other side. Normally it would be hard to push something flexible (like trying to push a string) but the rings are in tension and act as a guide for the elements. It's more like pushing washers along a rigid rod.

The rings are laminated from 9-12 thin layers of very thin flexible metal. I believe these must stretch very slightly so the load is shared between all the layers.
Thanks a lot for the answer! I have got a very clear idea now!

If I have got it right, there are two friction interfaces here right?
  • One between the element and the pulley.
  • The other between the element and the rings.
 
Yes.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Yaksha

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 82 ·
3
Replies
82
Views
29K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
Replies
5
Views
6K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
7K
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
3K