Continuity and differentiability over a closed interval

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of continuity and differentiability of a function over a closed interval, specifically examining conditions that affect the existence of a maximum value for the function and the implications of differentiability at certain points.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of differentiability and continuity, questioning the validity of certain claims regarding maximum values and the behavior of linear functions. There is an emphasis on visualizing the function to better understand the conditions presented.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning each other's reasoning and suggesting the use of visual aids to clarify concepts. Some participants have provided counterexamples to challenge assumptions, while others express uncertainty about their understanding of the definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific points on the function, such as f(1)=4, and the need to consider the behavior of the function between given points. Participants are also reflecting on the definitions of continuity and differentiability, indicating a potential gap in understanding that is being addressed through discussion.

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a, c are right because f(c) is continuous.
b, d are right because f'(c) is differentiable over the interval
I am not sure about e. Can anyone explain to me?
 
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budafeet57 said:
b, d are right because f'(c) is differentiable over the interval

Are you sure about that? What about a linear function? Then f'(x) = constant ≠ 0.

budafeet57 said:
I am not sure about e. Can anyone explain to me?
What the claim is saying is that there exists a well-defined maximum value for f. How would the function f need to behave for this claim not to be true?
 
You appear to have "cut off" a critical part: what is f(1)?
 
clamtrox said:
Are you sure about that? What about a linear function? Then f'(x) = constant ≠ 0.What the claim is saying is that there exists a well-defined maximum value for f. How would the function f need to behave for this claim not to be true?
Ah I see, b is the answer. Because f is not a constan, so it can only be linear. When it's differentiated it can't equal to zero under [-2,1].
 
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f(1)=4
 
budafeet57 said:
Ah I see, b is the answer. Because f is not a constan, so it can only be linear. When it's differentiated it can't equal to zero under [-2,1].

That makes no sense at all. Why won't you draw a picture to get some idea of what's happening, if you want to reason like this without any mathematical proofs.
 
clamtrox said:
That makes no sense at all. Why won't you draw a picture to get some idea of what's happening, if you want to reason like this without any mathematical proofs.

Thank you clamtrox. I am very rusty about the definition of continuity and differentiability, even I went back to my calc textbook, I still cannot figure out what I should do. Can you tell me what's wrong with my reasoning?
 
I personally think drawing the picture is more informative

I think the problem in your reasoning is that you don't fully understand the problem. So visually, these things you know about the function:
-it starts from p=(-2,-5) and ends in q=(1,4)
-there are no jumps
-there are no sharp edges
You are asked to check if there exists any such function for which the conditions A-E do not hold.

A is easy: you cannot draw a curve from p to q without crossing f=0. This can be shown easily using intermediate value theorem.

Now for B: here you need to check if all curves from p to q must have f'=0 at some point. In otherwords, they are parallel to the x-axis. Now I already gave you one counterexample for why this isn't true. I am sure you can draw several other curves that also are not parallel with x-axis at any points, but still satisfy the other conditions.

Then D is the most interesting one: you should really think hard about this.
 

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