How Can a Function from Real Numbers to a Discrete Space Be Continuous?

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The discussion revolves around the continuity of a function from the real numbers to a discrete space. The original poster attempts to understand how such a function can be continuous, particularly focusing on the implications of the discrete topology on the function's behavior.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of continuity in the context of discrete spaces and question how the choice of intervals relates to the continuity condition. There is a discussion about the implications of constant versus non-constant functions in this scenario.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the nature of discrete spaces and the implications for function continuity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to formalize the relationship between intervals and continuity, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps.

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There is an emphasis on the constraints of the problem, particularly regarding the requirement for participants to think critically and not seek direct solutions. The nature of the discrete space is under examination, with specific reference to the distance function defined within it.

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Homework Statement


Find ##f:R \to X##, f-continuous, where X is the discrete space.

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f is continuous at p if for any ##\epsilon > 0## there is ##\delta >0## such that ##d(f(x),f(p))<\epsilon## for all x such that ##d(x,p)<\delta##. Let ##\epsilon = 1##. As X is the discrete space, only f(p) satisfies ##d(f(x),f(p))<\epsilon##. So for a whole open interval (which becomes closed due to continuity) we have ##f([p-\delta,p+\delta])=f(p)##. From here I can see that only constant functions would work here, but I am not sure how to continue. I was thinking to do the same reasoning at ##f(p+\delta)##, and extend this over the whole R, but if the intervals get smaller and smaller this might not work. How should I continue?
 
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What do you want to continue?
You can formally show that f(x)=f(0) by choosing a suitable interval if you like.

If ##f(x) \neq f(0)##, then you can find at least one point of disconinuity in between.
 
mfb said:
What do you want to continue?
You can formally show that f(x)=f(0) by choosing a suitable interval if you like.
How can I choose this interval? I don't know how ##\delta## depends on ##\epsilon##. I just know it exists
 
Silviu said:
How can I choose this interval? I don't know how ##\delta## depends on ##\epsilon##. I just know it exists

For some continuous functions, ##\delta## depends on ##\epsilon##, but for other continuous functions it does not.
 
Ray Vickson said:
For some continuous functions, ##\delta## depends on ##\epsilon##, but for other continuous functions it does not.
Yes, but in my case I need to consider the most general case. So How do I do?
 
Silviu said:
Yes, but in my case I need to consider the most general case. So How do I do?

You need to think more about your problem; we are not allowed to solve it for you.

However, here is a hint: what do you mean by a "discrete space"?
 
Ray Vickson said:
You need to think more about your problem; we are not allowed to solve it for you.

However, here is a hint: what do you mean by a "discrete space"?
That means that ##d(x,y)## is 0 if x=y and 1 otherwise. This is what I used to get a neighborhood of a point that contains just that point and thus an interval from R will be completely sent to that point. I did this. I don't know how to continue from here. I don't want a proof just a suggestion.
 
Silviu said:
That means that ##d(x,y)## is 0 if x=y and 1 otherwise. This is what I used to get a neighborhood of a point that contains just that point and thus an interval from R will be completely sent to that point. I did this. I don't know how to continue from here. I don't want a proof just a suggestion.

My first thought would be to show that a non-constant function is not continuous.
 

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