Continuity implies boundedness in an interval proof

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The discussion revolves around proving that a continuous function is bounded on some interval centered at a point. The original poster presents a formal statement regarding continuity and boundedness, and attempts to establish a suitable value for M that satisfies the boundedness condition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster explores the relationship between continuity and boundedness, specifically how to express M in a way that encompasses both positive and negative values of the function. Some participants suggest using a maximum function to define M, while others question the necessity of additional terms like μ.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and alternative approaches. There is a recognition of the challenges in defining M, particularly when considering negative function values. The discussion remains open, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the choice of ε can be flexible, allowing for specific values to simplify the proof. There is also a focus on ensuring M remains non-negative while addressing the behavior of the function near its bounds.

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Homework Statement



If a function [itex]f[/itex] is continuous at a point [itex]x[/itex], then [itex]f[/itex] is bounded on some interval centered at [itex]x[/itex]. That is, [itex]\exists M \geq 0[/itex] s.t. [itex]\forall y[/itex], if [itex]|x - y| < \delta[/itex], then [itex]|f(y)| \leq M[/itex]

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Let [itex]\varepsilon > 0[/itex]. Since [itex]f[/itex] is continuous at [itex]x[/itex], [itex]\exists \delta > 0[/itex] s.t. [itex]\forall y[/itex], if [itex]|x - y| < \delta[/itex], then [itex]|f(x) - f(y)| < \varepsilon[/itex]. Now,

[itex]|f(x) - f(y)| < \varepsilon \iff[/itex]

[itex]- \varepsilon < f(x) - f(y) < \varepsilon \iff[/itex]

[itex]f(x) - \varepsilon < f(y) < f(x) + \varepsilon[/itex].

Stated differently,

[itex]f(y) \in (f(x) - \varepsilon, f(x) + \varepsilon)[/itex].

We are trying to find an [itex]M \geq 0[/itex] s.t. [itex]|f(y)| < M[/itex], or [itex]f(y) \in (-M, M)[/itex]. This is where I get a little stuck. I realize that we may choose any [itex]\mu > 0[/itex] and say that [itex]M = f(x) + \varepsilon + \mu[/itex]. But I run into trouble when doing this. I want something like [itex]M = f(x) \pm (\varepsilon + \mu)[/itex]. This would cover the interval that I am trying to get [itex]M[/itex] into, but I don't exactly know how to say it (except by the way just mentioned of course). Is there a way to write this as a SINGLE value (as opposed to the [itex]\pm[/itex] showing up)?

EDIT: What about [itex]M = f(x) + |\varepsilon + \mu|[/itex]?

Thank you for your help!
 
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Can't you just do

[tex]M=\max\{f(x)+\varepsilon,-f(x)+\varepsilon\}[/tex]

I see no use for the [itex]\mu[/itex]...
 
If you have to prove that a function is continuous, you have to show that certain conditions are satisfied for every value of [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex]. However, if you're given that a function is continuous and you have to prove something about it, you can select a specific, convenient value for [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex]. So let [itex]\epsilon = 1[/itex]. Since f is continuous at x, [itex]\exists \delta > 0[/itex] such that if [itex]|x - y| < \delta[/itex], then [itex]|f(x) - f(y)| < 1[/itex]. Can you take it from there?
 
micromass said:
Can't you just do
[tex]M=\max\{f(x)+\varepsilon,-f(x)+\varepsilon\}[/tex]
[/itex]...

Since [itex]M \geq 0[/itex], where is the negative [itex]f(x)[/itex] coming from and how would it fit into choosing an [itex]M[/itex]?

Petek said:
... if you're given that a function is continuous and you have to prove something about it, you can select a specific, convenient value for [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex]. So let [itex]\epsilon = 1[/itex]. Since f is continuous at x, [itex]\exists \delta > 0[/itex] such that if [itex]|x - y| < \delta[/itex], then [itex]|f(x) - f(y)| < 1[/itex]. Can you take it from there?

Right, but I could just plug in [itex]\varepsilon = 1[/itex] into what I had written so far and I would still be in the same boat (unless I am just completely misunderstanding). I am getting stuck on picking an [itex]M[/itex] that will work. I can see how to do it if everything is positive ([itex]M = f(x) + \varepsilon[/itex]), but I don't see how to handle it if it starts to dip into the negatives.
 
An additional hint:

[tex]|f(y)| = |f(y) - f(x) + f(x)| \leq |f(y) - f(x)| + |f(x)|[/tex]
 
tylerc1991 said:
Since [itex]M \geq 0[/itex], where is the negative [itex]f(x)[/itex] coming from and how would it fit into choosing an [itex]M[/itex]?

The negative f(x) is to be able to deal with negative function values.

If [itex]|f(y)|\leq -f(x)+\varepsilon[/itex], then [itex]f(x)-\varepsilon\leq f(y)[/itex]. So the f(y) is bounded below.
 

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