Continuity (intermediate value theorem)

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The discussion revolves around proving that a continuous function f on the interval [a,b] does not change sign if f(x)≠0 for all x in that interval. Participants emphasize that if f(a) and f(b) are both positive, f is increasing, and if both are negative, f is decreasing, thus preventing f from equaling zero. A misunderstanding arises regarding the definition of increasing or decreasing functions, which is clarified by noting that it relates to the sign of the derivative. The intermediate value theorem is referenced to show that if f changes sign, it leads to a contradiction. Overall, the conclusion is that continuity and the non-zero condition imply that f maintains a consistent sign throughout the interval.
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Homework Statement



Let f be a continuous function on the interval I=[a,b] such that for every x in [a,b] f(x)≠0.

Show that the function f(x) doesn't change its sign.( like increasing or decreasing)

The Attempt at a Solution



Well for this to be true, we need to have f(a)>0 and f(b)>0 and f(x) is increasing so then it won't change the monotony. If we have f(a)<0 and f(b)<0, then f(x) is decreasing, hence we will not find any x in the interval I such that f(x)=0. Therefore for every x in the interval I f(x)≠0. Am I correct? Do I need to explain a bit more or what?
 
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mtayab1994 said:
Well for this to be true, we need to have f(a)>0 and f(b)>0 and f(x) is increasing so then it won't change the monotony. If we have f(a)<0 and f(b)<0, then f(x) is decreasing, hence we will not find any x in the interval I such that f(x)=0. Therefore for every x in the interval I f(x)≠0. Am I correct? Do I need to explain a bit more or what?

This is nonsense. If f does change sign, then there exist real numbers c,d \in [a,b] such that f(c) &lt; 0 and 0 &lt; f(d). Now use the intermediate value theorem to derive a contradiction.
 
mtayab1994 said:

Homework Statement



Let f be a continuous function on the interval I=[a,b] such that for every x in [a,b] f(x)≠0.

Show that the function f(x) doesn't change its sign.( like increasing or decreasing)
Did you add the parenthetical statement? I believe you are misunderstanding the question! A function is "increasing or decreasing" if and only if the derivative of f doesn't change sign. f(x)= x^2+ 1, for example is continuous and never 0 on [-1, 1] but it certainly is NOT always increasing or always decreasing.

Use a proof by contradicction. If f(x1)> 0 and f(x2)< 0 (f changes sign) and f is continuous, what does the intermediate value theorem tell you?



The Attempt at a Solution



Well for this to be true, we need to have f(a)>0 and f(b)>0 and f(x) is increasing so then it won't change the monotony. If we have f(a)<0 and f(b)<0, then f(x) is decreasing, hence we will not find any x in the interval I such that f(x)=0. Therefore for every x in the interval I f(x)≠0. Am I correct? Do I need to explain a bit more or what?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Did you add the parenthetical statement? I believe you are misunderstanding the question! A function is "increasing or decreasing" if and only if the derivative of f doesn't change sign. f(x)= x^2+ 1, for example is continuous and never 0 on [-1, 1] but it certainly is NOT always increasing or always decreasing.

Use a proof by contradicction. If f(x1)> 0 and f(x2)< 0 (f changes sign) and f is continuous, what does the intermediate value theorem tell you?

If f(x1)>0 and f(x2)<0 that entails f(x1)*f(x2)<0 so that means that there at least exists a number c such that f(x2)<f(c)=0<f(x1). Correct right?
 
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