Continuity (intermediate value theorem)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a continuous function defined on the interval I=[a,b], specifically focusing on the implications of the function not being equal to zero within that interval. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that the function does not change its sign based on the conditions provided.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to establish conditions under which the function remains positive or negative throughout the interval, referencing the behavior of the function at the endpoints. Others question the understanding of the terms "increasing" and "decreasing," suggesting a need for clarity regarding the derivative's role in determining monotonicity.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants offering guidance on using proof by contradiction and the intermediate value theorem to explore the implications of the function changing signs. There is no explicit consensus, as differing viewpoints on the understanding of the problem are evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of continuity and monotonicity, with some expressing confusion over the relationship between the function's behavior and its derivative. The original poster's phrasing and assumptions are also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement



Let f be a continuous function on the interval I=[a,b] such that for every x in [a,b] f(x)≠0.

Show that the function f(x) doesn't change its sign.( like increasing or decreasing)

The Attempt at a Solution



Well for this to be true, we need to have f(a)>0 and f(b)>0 and f(x) is increasing so then it won't change the monotony. If we have f(a)<0 and f(b)<0, then f(x) is decreasing, hence we will not find any x in the interval I such that f(x)=0. Therefore for every x in the interval I f(x)≠0. Am I correct? Do I need to explain a bit more or what?
 
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mtayab1994 said:
Well for this to be true, we need to have f(a)>0 and f(b)>0 and f(x) is increasing so then it won't change the monotony. If we have f(a)<0 and f(b)<0, then f(x) is decreasing, hence we will not find any x in the interval I such that f(x)=0. Therefore for every x in the interval I f(x)≠0. Am I correct? Do I need to explain a bit more or what?

This is nonsense. If [itex]f[/itex] does change sign, then there exist real numbers [itex]c,d \in [a,b][/itex] such that [itex]f(c) < 0[/itex] and [itex]0 < f(d)[/itex]. Now use the intermediate value theorem to derive a contradiction.
 
mtayab1994 said:

Homework Statement



Let f be a continuous function on the interval I=[a,b] such that for every x in [a,b] f(x)≠0.

Show that the function f(x) doesn't change its sign.( like increasing or decreasing)
Did you add the parenthetical statement? I believe you are misunderstanding the question! A function is "increasing or decreasing" if and only if the derivative of f doesn't change sign. [itex]f(x)= x^2+ 1[/itex], for example is continuous and never 0 on [-1, 1] but it certainly is NOT always increasing or always decreasing.

Use a proof by contradicction. If f(x1)> 0 and f(x2)< 0 (f changes sign) and f is continuous, what does the intermediate value theorem tell you?



The Attempt at a Solution



Well for this to be true, we need to have f(a)>0 and f(b)>0 and f(x) is increasing so then it won't change the monotony. If we have f(a)<0 and f(b)<0, then f(x) is decreasing, hence we will not find any x in the interval I such that f(x)=0. Therefore for every x in the interval I f(x)≠0. Am I correct? Do I need to explain a bit more or what?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Did you add the parenthetical statement? I believe you are misunderstanding the question! A function is "increasing or decreasing" if and only if the derivative of f doesn't change sign. [itex]f(x)= x^2+ 1[/itex], for example is continuous and never 0 on [-1, 1] but it certainly is NOT always increasing or always decreasing.

Use a proof by contradicction. If f(x1)> 0 and f(x2)< 0 (f changes sign) and f is continuous, what does the intermediate value theorem tell you?

If f(x1)>0 and f(x2)<0 that entails f(x1)*f(x2)<0 so that means that there at least exists a number c such that f(x2)<f(c)=0<f(x1). Correct right?
 

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