Continuity of a Function .... Conway, Definition 1.7.1 .... ....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around John B. Conway's definition of continuity in his book "A First Course in Analysis," specifically focusing on Definition 1.7.1. Participants seek clarification on the clarity and correctness of this definition, its usualness, and the implications of its notation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Peter questions the clarity and correctness of Conway's Definition 1.7.1, particularly why it mentions a point $$a$$ while defining continuity at any point $$x \in X$$.
  • Another participant echoes Peter's concern, suggesting that the definition does not make sense unless continuity at a specific point $$a$$ is defined first.
  • Peter expresses a belief that there may be a typo in the definition, as it seems to switch notation without clear justification.
  • A later reply confirms the observation of a potential typo, noting that Conway appears to define continuity at $$x$$ while claiming to define it at $$a$$.
  • Participants discuss two common approaches to defining continuity: the $\varepsilon$-$\delta$ definition and the sequence-based definition, stating that both are usual and equivalent in different contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of a potential typo in Conway's definition and the confusion it causes. However, there is no consensus on the implications of this issue or the clarity of the definition itself.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on notation and definitions in mathematical texts, as well as the potential for ambiguity in definitions that may lead to confusion among readers.

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I am reading John B. Conway's book: A First Course in Analysis and am focused on Chapter 1: The Real Numbers ... and in particular I am focused on Section 1.7: Continuous Functions ...

I need help with clarifying Definition 1.7.1 ...Definition 1.7.1 reads as follows:
View attachment 9497My question is as follows:

Is the above definition clear and correct? Is it usual?It seems to me Conway has defined continuity at any point $$x \in X$$ ... so why bother mentioning $$a$$ ... ?Can someone please clarify Conway's approach to continuity ...

Peter
 

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Peter said:
I am reading John B. Conway's book: A First Course in Analysis and am focused on Chapter 1: The Real Numbers ... and in particular I am focused on Section 1.7: Continuous Functions ...

I need help with clarifying Definition 1.7.1 ...Definition 1.7.1 reads as follows:
My question is as follows:

Is the above definition clear and correct? Is it usual?It seems to me Conway has defined continuity at any point $$x \in X$$ ... so why bother mentioning $$a$$ ... ?Can someone please clarify Conway's approach to continuity ...

Peter
And HOW did he define "at any point [math]x\in X[/math]? As being continuous at every a\in X. That wouldn't make sense unless he had defined "continuous at a" first!
 
HallsofIvy said:
And HOW did he define "at any point [math]x\in X[/math]? As being continuous at every a\in X. That wouldn't make sense unless he had defined "continuous at a" first!
Hi HallsofIvy ...

This is Conway's first and only definition of continuity for a real valued function of a real variable ...

I feel that there is a typo in it since as it stands it doesn't seem to make sense ...

Peter
 
Peter said:
This is Conway's first and only definition of continuity for a real valued function of a real variable ...

I feel that there is a typo in it since as it stands it doesn't seem to make sense ...

Peter
You are quite correct, and once again you have found a typo in a respected textbook. Here, Conway claims to be defining continuity at $a$, but he actually defines continuity at $x$. In other words, he changes notation halfway through the definition.

Peter said:
Is the above definition clear and correct? Is it usual?
There are two ways of defining continuity. One is the $\varepsilon$-$ \delta$ definition, the other (used here by Conway) is to use sequences. Both definitions are "usual", and they are equivalent to each other. Each of them is useful in different contexts. Whichever of them is taken as the initial definition, most authors find it helpful to introduce the other one later, and to prove their equivalence.
 

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