Continuity on a Missing Strip Plane

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The discussion revolves around the concept of continuity of functions defined on a modified domain, specifically focusing on a function defined on a missing strip plane where the interval (0, 1] is excluded. Participants explore the implications of this exclusion on the continuity of the function f(x) = x.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definitions of continuity, particularly in the context of a missing strip plane, and asks whether f(x) = x remains continuous when the interval (0, 1] is removed.
  • Another participant asserts that if a function is continuous on a larger domain, it remains continuous when the domain is restricted, suggesting that f(x) = x is continuous on the reals minus (0, 1].
  • A participant clarifies that the discussion involves making two infinite intervals rather than simply creating a subinterval, challenging the notion of "making the domain smaller."
  • One participant emphasizes that restricting a continuous function to a domain excluding (0, 1] does not affect its continuity, describing this as a trivial case.
  • Another participant raises a question about the limits at x = 0 and x = 1, suggesting that the limit at x = 0 approaches 1 from the right side, and questions the merging of the two sides in the missing strip context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a continuous function remains continuous when the domain is restricted. However, there is disagreement regarding the implications of the missing strip and how limits should be interpreted in this context, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the nature of continuity in the context of the missing strip plane and the behavior of limits at the boundaries of the excluded interval.

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I've seen many definitions of continuous functions. They all describe x in a domain, but there's not really much explanation about the domain considerations beyond examples with "all the reals" and "an interval of the reals."

I'm trying to figure out what continuity would mean on a missing strip plane. For example, we know that [itex]f(x) = x[/itex] is a continuous function on the reals. But consider a missing strip plane where the interval [itex]x \in (0, 1][/itex] is missing. Is this function still continuous on that domain.

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Sure it is still continuous there. If ##f## is defined on a domain, i.e. ##f:D\rightarrow \mathbb{R}##, then ##f## will remain continuous if we make the domain smaller. So if ##D^\prime## is contained in ##D##, then ##f:D^\prime\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## will be continuous if the original ##f## is.

However, the following situation might occur, take the following function:

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This is obviously discontinuous in ##0## if the domain is the reals. However, if we take a smaller domain, then the function might become continuous. For example, if we cut out the interval [-1,1], then the function becomes continuous.

So, in general, if we make the domain smaller then some discontinuous functions might become continuous. But all continuous functions will remain continuous.
 
I attached a picture of my function in the Missing Strip Plane.

Micromass, I think when you say "make the domain smaller," you are referring to making a subinterval? I have seen that in a lot of textbooks. This is not that type of problem. Rather it is making two infinite intervals and joining them.
 

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thelema418 said:
I attached a picture of my function in the Missing Strip Plane.

Micromass, I think when you say "make the domain smaller," you are referring to making a subinterval? I have seen that in a lot of textbooks. This is not that type of problem. Rather it is making two infinite intervals and joining them.

Your domain is the reals without the interval [0,1]. This is a smaller domain than the reals.
When I said "make the domain smaller", then I meant what I said for any smaller domain, including yours.

So your function will still be continuous since it's continuous on a larger domain.
 
All you are doing is restricting a continuous function on ##\mathbb{R}## to the domain ##\mathbb{R}\setminus (0,1]## so yes it will of course still be continuous. This is trivial to show.
 
So, that means that the limit at x =1 in the plane exists and is 1. But in the Missing Strip Plane the left side of that neighborhood immediately contains x=0. Then wouldn't the limit at x=0 approach 1 from the right side?

I don't understand why you don't collapse the missing strip to make the two sides merge in this case.
 

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