High School Continuous but Not Differentiable

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The discussion centers on the relationship between continuity and differentiability of functions, particularly at a point c. It is established that if a function is continuous at c, both one-sided limits must equal the function's value at that point. The example of f(x) = |x| illustrates that while the function is continuous at x = 0, its derivative does not exist due to differing left and right-hand limits of the derivative. Participants clarify that while limits of the function exist and are equal, the limits of the derivatives can differ, leading to confusion about the nuances of continuity and differentiability. Understanding these concepts is crucial for correctly analyzing functions in calculus.
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Suppose a certain function in continuous at c and (c. f(c)) exists, then which of the two could be false: \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow c^-} {f(x)} = \lim_{x \rightarrow c^+} {f(x)}, and \displaystyle f'(c)?

I feel like both could be false, because if the formal derivative at a point exists, then the left and right hand limits much be equal -- but the function could be f(x) = |x|, which means that \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-} {f(x)} \neq \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+} {f(x)} (but \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} {f(x)} = 0) and f'(0) = \frac {d}{dx}|0| does not exist. I feel like I'm missing something, cause the nuances around continuity and differentiability have always been confusing (and vague) to me.

Thank-you
 
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logan3 said:
Suppose a certain function in continuous at c and (c. f(c)) exists, then which of the two could be false: \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow c^-} {f(x)} = \lim_{x \rightarrow c^+} {f(x)}, and \displaystyle f'(c)?

I feel like both could be false, because if the formal derivative at a point exists, then the left and right hand limits much be equal -- but the function could be f(x) = |x|, which means that \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-} {f(x)} \neq \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+} {f(x)} (but \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} {f(x)} = 0) and f'(0) = \frac {d}{dx}|0| does not exist. I feel like I'm missing something, cause the nuances around continuity and differentiability have always been confusing (and vague) to me.

Thank-you
If f is continuous in c, then ##\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow c^-} {f(x)} = \lim_{x \rightarrow c^+} {f(x)} =f(c)##.

For ##f(x)=|x|##, what you have is that ##\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-} \frac{f(x)}{x}=\lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-} \frac{-x}{x}=-1## and ##\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+} \frac{f(x)}{x}=\lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+} \frac{x}{x}=1##. That's why the function has no derivative in 0.
 
logan3 said:
Suppose a certain function in continuous at c and (c. f(c)) exists, then which of the two could be false: \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow c^-} {f(x)} = \lim_{x \rightarrow c^+} {f(x)}, and \displaystyle f'(c)?

I feel like both could be false, because if the formal derivative at a point exists, then the left and right hand limits much be equal -- but the function could be f(x) = |x|, which means that \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-} {f(x)} \neq \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+} {f(x)}
No, this is wrong. Both \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-} {f(x)} and \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+} {f(x)} exist and are equal to 0.
If \lim_{x\to a} f(x) exists then it must be true that \lim_{x\to a^-} f(x) and \lim_{x\to a+} f(x) exist and are equal. Perhaps you are thinking of the fact that the limits of the derivatives are not equal: \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^-} {f'(x)} \neq \lim_{x \rightarrow 0^+} {f'(x)}.
(Note f'(x), not f(x).)

(but \displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} {f(x)} = 0) and f'(0) = \frac {d}{dx}|0| does not exist. I feel like I'm missing something, cause the nuances around continuity and differentiability have always been confusing (and vague) to me.

Thank-you
 

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